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A bit of help please

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Sidami

Sidami Report 30 Sep 2020 15:52

I am looking for Susannah Roberts parents born 1886 Friskney on her marriage to William Jarnell in Friskney 1907 it stated her father as John Henry Roberts on the 1901 it says she is living with her adopted parents Charles and Sarah Hoyles? I see someone else is researching this line on ancestry dies it’s give any detail of her being adopted please?

Mary

Mary Report 30 Sep 2020 16:12

Susannah Roberts born Boston D qtr 1885 071 431 no mums maiden name

1939 says housewife 5/10/1884 with husband William Jarnell 4/8/1878 but trees on ancestry have him as died 1918.

I think the one who died 1918 was William Jarnell born 1896 Gainsborough to William and Sarah nee Thompson.
On army records it states mum Sarah and on his effects it names brother John W.

Maryb

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2020 16:12

No, there are no details - just the bare sentence "She was adopted".

Most trees on Ancestry say she was born in 1886, but the one which says she was adopted gives her DOB as 6 Oct 1884, in Boston, Lincs.

It gives a link to a GRO Index page - but if she's on that page, she wasn't registered as Roberts.
Friskney comes under Spilsby reg district.


However, the censuses (1891-1911) all say she was born in Boston, although she lived in Friskney.

If she was registered as Roberts, with no mms, that ought to mean that her mother's surname was Roberts - not her father's. (Unless they both happened to be called Roberts.)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2020 16:29

In 1891 she's with Betsy Ann Beecham (nee Lilley), who is a sister of Sarah Hoyles who became Susannah's adoptive mother per 1901 census:

Betsy A Beecham
Name: Betsy A Beecham
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1868
Spouse: George Beecham
Birth Place: Spilsby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Boston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph
Residence Place: Boston, Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Registration District: Boston
Sub registration district: Boston
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 2573
Folio: 94
Household Members:
Name Age
George Beecham 29
Betsy A Beecham 23
John Curley 70
Susan Roberts 5 - Boston, scholar - no relationship given


Betsy Ann Lilley
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Betsy Ann Lilley
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Boston
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 469
Records on Page:
Name
George Beecham
Betsy Ann Lilley



Sarah Rebecca Lilley
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Sarah Rebecca Lilley
Registration Year: 1880
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Boston
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 533
Records on Page:
Name
Sarah Rebecca Lilley
Charles Creasey Hoyles




Sarah R Lilley
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Sarah R Lilley
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: New Bolingbroke Lincolnshire England
Civil Parish: Bolingbroke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: New Bolingbroke
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration District: Spilsby
Sub-registration District: Spilsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household Schedule Number: 65
Piece: 3393A
Folio: 55
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
William Lilley 47
Martha S Lilley 51
Martha S Lilley 21
Sarah R Lilley 11
Ellen Lilley 10
Susan Lilley 5 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Betsy Lilley 3 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<


"Adoption" would just have been an informal affair.
It clearly didn't involve her chainging her name to Hoyles.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2020 16:44

???

John H Roberts
in the 1901 England Census
Name: John H Roberts
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Betsy Roberts
Birth Place: Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Boston
Ecclesiastical parish: St BotolphTown: Boston
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration District: Boston
Sub-registration District: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Neighbors:
Piece: 3044
Folio: 93
Page Number: 3
Household Schedule Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
John H Roberts 39
Betsy Roberts 46


John Henry Roberts
in the 1911 England Census
Name: John Henry Roberts
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Boston
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address: 19 Locomotive Street Boston Lincolshire
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Dock Labour
Registration District: Boston
Registration District Number: 415
Sub-registration District: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 19598
Household Members:
Name Age
John Henry Roberts 49
Betsy Roberts 56


Married 10 years.

??
Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Lancaster Betsy Boston 7a 930
Roberts John Henry Boston 7a 930

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2020 16:48

???
John H Roberts
in the 1891 England Census
Name: John H Roberts
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Relationship: Lodger
Birth Year: 1866
Birth Place: Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Boston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph
Residence Place: Boston, Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Registration District: Boston
Sub registration district: Boston
ED, Institution or Vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 2573
Folio: 111
Household Members:
Name Age
David Steado 50
Fanny E Steado 48
Annie Steado 26
George Steado 23
Betsy Steado 13
David Steado 10
Lilly Steado 7
Gertrude Stead 2
John H Roberts 25


Jno. Hy. Roberts
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Jno. Hy. Roberts
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Henry Roberts
Gender: Male
Where born: Boston, Lincoln, England
Civil Parish: Boston
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address: Bargate End
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Moulder (Artizan)
Registration District: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 3217
Folio: 89
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Roberts 44
Jno. Hy. Roberts 15

Mary

Mary Report 30 Sep 2020 17:22

Susan/Susanna Lilley 1865 sister to Betsy and Sarah Rebecca Lilley

Susanna/Susan died 14/1/1899 probate £332.1s to Charles Creasy Hoyles,just wondering if that was for upkeep of Susan/Susannah Roberts.
Maybe Susan 1865's daughter!! But I don;t know why she should have Roberts surname

1891 Susanna 1865 with her mum and brother,it states that she has fits

Maryb

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2020 17:39

That's a very appealing theory, Mary, especially with the name Susanna.
The child looked after by her aunt Betsy in 1891 because her mother wasn't well enough to do so, and then "adopted" by 1901 by her other aunt Sarah after her mother's death.

If it were my search, I'd be very tempted to buy the Roberts birth cert to see what it says.

Sidami

Sidami Report 30 Sep 2020 22:27

Thankyou all so much you are fantastic at solving..