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Richard Potter appears as grandson in 1881
Dinneford street,Thorverton , Tiverton. RD Devon
George Wreford. 63. Mason's labourer. B. Morchard bishop
Jane Wreford. 60. "
Laura Wreford. 15. Thorverton
RIchard Potter. 5. Grandson. Dawlish

I cannot see how he is related to George!
HIs children were ...
Mary Ann 1843 Morchard bishop
Fanny 1845 born same
SImon 1847. Thorverton
Eliza 1849. Thorverton
Laura Jane. 1865

Trying to trace Richard, he may appear in Yorkshire as a 15 yr. old lodger, born Devonshire, and 1901 as HM Dock labourer age 25, in devonport.

I can't find a birth for him to identify his parent.

If he is Frank Richard potter age 34 in 1911 admittedly born Dawlish, I lose him after that, so his beginning and end are a mystery so far.

Ideas welcome ..
:-D

POTTER, MABEL BERTHA LOWE
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 512

Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
LOWE Hannah Elizabeth Sheffield 9c 1073
POTTER Frank Richard Sheffield 9c 1073


Name: Hannah E Potter
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: abt 1876
Registration Date: Apr 1958
[May 1958]
[Jun 1958]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2d
Page: 199


Name: Mabel Bertha Potter
Death Date: 5 Jul 1986
Death Place: Sheffield
Probate Date: 23 Jul 1986
Probate Registry: Leeds

1939

6 Barber Place, Sheffield, Sheffield C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Hannah Potter 31 Aug 1874 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 195 1
Mabel Potter 12 Sep 1907 Female Restaurant Cashier Single 195 2


Births Mar 1878 (>99%)
Potter Frank Richard Newton A. 5b 111
Newton Abbot covers Dawlish

POTTER, FRANK RICHARD (MMN) GODFREY
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 111

Deaths Jun 1940 (>99%)
Potter Frank R 62 Wortley 9c 709

1881 - proves he's NOT the person you're researching

Richard Potter Head Married Male 38 1843 Coachman (6/2) Dawlish, Devon, England
Eliza Potter Wife Married Female 32 1849 Coachman (6/2) Wife Devon, England
Bessie Potter Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Lockwood, Yorkshire, England
Olive Potter Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Dawlish, Devon, England
Frank Potter Son Single Male 3 1878 - Dawlish, Devon, England
Maud Potter Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Dawlish, Devon, England
John Godfrey Nephew Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Willand, Devon, England

1881 from FMP for the family you state in OP

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dinneford Street, Thorverton, Tiverton, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Wreford Head Married Male 63 1818 Masons Lab Morchard Bishop, Devon, England
Jane Wreford Wife Married Female 60 1821 - Morchard Bishop, Devon, England
Laura Wreford Daughter Single Female 15 1866 Serv(Out Of Employ) Thorverton, Devon, England
Richard Potter Grand Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Dawlish, Devon, England

Census - 1891/1901 and 1911 that you think may be him. A lot of occupation changes and moves from Devon - Yorks and back


The 1891 - Holbeck is a district of Leeds

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Malvern Road, Holbeck, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Milford Head Married Male 49 1842 Cooper Thorverton, Devon, England
Jane Milford Wife Married Female 49 1842 - Devon, England
Herbert Milford Son Single Male 23 1868 Commercial Traveller Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Theodore Milford Son Single Male 19 1872 Pattern Maker Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Alfred Milford Son Single Male 16 1875 Clerk In Machine Shop Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Archibald Milford Son Single Male 14 1877 School Teacher Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Richard Milford Junior Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Maude Milford Daughter Single Female 11 1880 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Leonard Milford Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Richard Potter Lodger Single Male 15 1876 Cooper Dawlish, Devon, England <<<<<<<

and the 1901
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, St Mawes Terrace, Devonport, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Northam Head Married Male - - Labourer Shipyard Hatherleigh, Devon, England
Mary Northam Wife Married Female 38 1863 - Northlew, Devon, England
Annie Northam Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Housemaid Domestic Northlew, Devon, England
James Northam Son Single Male 13 1888 Errand Boy Devon, England
Bessie Northam Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Meavy, Devon, England
Arnold Northam Son Single Male 3 1898 - Meavy, Devon, England
William Northam Son Single Male 0 1901 - Devon, England
James Avery Boarder Single Male 18 1883 Labourer H M Dockyard Broadwood, Devon, England
Thomas Webb Boarder Single Male 26 1875 Labourer H M Dockyard Dawlish, Devon, England
Thomas Kingwell Boarder Married Male 40 1861 Labourer H M Dockyard Ashburton, Devon, England
Richard Potter Boarder Single Male 25 1876 Labourer H M Dockyard Dawlish, Devon, England <<<<<<<<<
Charles Eastcock Boarder Single Male 24 1877 Labourer H M Dockyard Somerset, England
William Pedlar Boarder Single Male 17 1884 Labourer H M Dockyard Portland, Dorset, England

and 1911 -

1911 Census For England & Wales
114 Wentworth St Sheffield, Ecclesall, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frank Richard Potter Head Married Male 34 1877 Hotel Waiter Dawlish Devon
Hannah Elizabeth Potter Wife Married Female 34 1877 - Sheffield Yorkshire
Mabel Bertha Potter Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Sheffield Yorkshire

Record Transcription:
Yorkshire Marriages

First name(s) Frank Richard
Last name Potter
Age 30
Birth year 1877
Residence 28 Bromley ST
Marriage year 1907
Marriage date 07 Jul 1907
Marriage place Sheffield, St Stephen
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Lowe
Spouse's age 30
Spouse's residence 28 Bromley St
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Potter
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Spouse's father's last name Lowe
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Page 225
Record set Yorkshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain


frank is a waiter

richard his father is a butler

This will be Frank Richard in 1939

Frank R Potter's life in 1939
West Riding Mental Hospital, Wadsley, Wortley, Wortley R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Frank R Potter 21 Jan 1878 Male Tram Cleaner ( Corporation ) Married 4 52

Finally, FRANK in 1939

West Riding Mental Hospital, Wadsley, Wortley, Wortley R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Frank R Potter 21 Jan 1878 Male Tram Cleaner ( Corporation ) Married 4 52

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

114 Wentworth St Sheffield, Ecclesall, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frank Richard Potter Head Married Male 34 1877 Hotel Waiter Dawlish Devon
Hannah Elizabeth Potter Wife Married Female 34 1877 - Sheffield Yorkshire
Mabel Bertha Potter Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Sheffield Yorkshire

This is Frank Richard Potter's baptism record - shows parents as Richard and Eliza Potter

Devon Baptisms

First name(s) Frank Richard
Last name Potter
Birth year -
Baptism year 1878
Baptism date 13 Feb 1878
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place Dawlish, St Gregory the Great
Father's first name(s) Richard
Mother's first name(s) Eliza
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Archive reference 1859A/PR/1/9

Thank you for your research.. So it's NOT Frank Richard Potter.

so you see my problem with Richard Potter's birth registration and identity as grandson.

Could he be called grandson if he was adopted/taken in?
One generation down, Simon, George's son, did "take in" An orphaned niece.

People weren't always as precise back then about relationships.

They may smply have taken in an orphan and given him the status of grandson.

1891 seems to me that Richard Milford and Jane lane married in Wales in 1866. I've only just noticed that Richard was from Thorverton.
You'll see that George lived in Thorverton where Simon and Laura were born.

But I ve still not sorted the relationship between George and grandson.
But hopeful. :- ;-)

I doubt very much that there was ANY connection between them

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1843 (>99%)
Hammett Jane Crediton 10 119
WREFORD George Crediton 10 119

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BIRTHS - strange no mmn recorded until 1849?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WREFORD, MARY ANN -
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in CREDITON UNION Volume 10 Page 82

WREFORD, FANNY -
GRO Reference: 1845 J Quarter in CREDITON UNION Volume 10 Page 85

WREFORD, SIMON -
GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in CREDITON UNION Volume 10 Page 91

WREFORD, ELIZA HAMMETT
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in CREDITON UNION Volume 10 Page 93

WREFORD, FREDERICK HAMMETT
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in CREDITON Volume 05B Page 341

WREFORD, ELIZABETH HAMMETT
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in CREDITON Volume 05B Page 401

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WREFORD, LAURA JANE HEMMETT
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in TIVERTON Volume 05B Page 405

All the daughters of George and Jane are old enough to be Richard's Mother except Laura, as are both sons. Maybe a son admitted paternity and child was raised with his family but registered under Mother's surname? Or just not registered

That seems possible,
Oddly I have an ongoing conspiracy theory...
Presuming the potter person was in Thorverton in 1871, I started looking for a possibly parent.
I did find a Sydney potter in Thorverton 1871... Age 15 then and born Islington. . On trial for an apprentice. He is in the household of ...
Thomas Milford. 42 Thorverton
Elisabeth Milford 40 Thorverton
Frederick 13 same
Kate 11 same
Ellen same
Annie 4 same
Elisabeth 0 Thorverton
Sydney Potter 15 Islington

In 1861 he seems to be in clerkenwell, st James, St. John street
Rebecca Potter, head 25 broad Clyst Devon
Alfred s potter son 5 Islington
And a male and female servant

Strange that these are Milfords also from Thorverton.
Perhaps he is the father,