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Thanks mgnv. These links are really helpful.

1920 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M68H-PRJ
1930 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CHX4-HW2
1940 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KW3J-GSQ
[All with image links]

You guys are wonderful. I could only find the outgoing passenger manifest on Ancestry and anything else it said I needed a World sub which I don't have. The passport application for Gertrude was interesting too because her mother died shortly after in September 1919.

Thanks so much.

Actually, alviegal, I got the passenger info from Ancestry. On the original note the line number then go to next page to see more details.

You can look on https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org for travel to New York. You can see the passenger manifest which is possibly where MargaretM found she was going to visit her daughter.

Snowdon, Jessie C.
1910
Liverpool, England
Carmania

Gertrude Skinner

in the 1920 United States Federal Census
View 1920 United States Federal Census

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Name: Gertrude Skinner
[Gertrude Spinner]
Age: 39
Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: England
Home in 1920: School District 4, Richland, South Carolina
Street: Hagood Ave
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1902
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital status: Married
Spouse's name: George Skinner
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Able to Speak English: Yes
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
George Skinner 52
Gertrude Skinner 39
Beatrice Skinner 13

Seems as if daughter Louise in 1910 became Beatrice.

Gertrude and Beatrice returning home to USA:

Gertrude Skinner

in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
View UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Gertrude Skinner
Gender: Female
Age: 39
Birth Date: abt 1880
Departure Date: 22 Oct 1919
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Lapland
Search Ship Database: Search for the Lapland in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 137398
Master: J Bradshaw

Passport application got Gertrude Skinner and her daughter Beatrice, aged 12.
Reason for passport is to go to Liverpool for her mother's illness.


Gertrude Skinner

in the U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
View U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925

Name: Gertrude Skinner
Gender: Female
Age: 38
Birth Date: 3 Nov 1880
Birth Place: Liverpool, Eng, Lancashire
Residence Place: Columbia, South Carolina
Passport Issue Date: 2 Aug 1919
Spouse: George A Skinner
Has Photo: Yes
Certificate Number: 102701

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Royston Street, West Derby, Lancashire, England

John Snowden Head Married Male 42 1849 Freight Clerk Cumberland, England
Jessie C Snowden Wife Married Female 40 1851 Smallware Dealer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Charles E Snowden Son Single Male 19 1872 Clerk Mercantile Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William F Snowden Son Single Male 18 1873 Clerk Mercantile Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Jessie Snowden Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Cafe Waitress Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Josephine Snowden Daughter Single Female 14 1877 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John H Snowden Son Single Male 13 1878 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Gertrude Snowden Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Snowden Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Catherine E Snowden Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England

No need to be unsure about the woman's children. Using the FREE GRO index..........here are two of them

SNOWDON, GERTRUDE DONALDSON
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 609

SNOWDON, JESSIE DONALDSON
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 304

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
84, Gladstone Road, West Derby, Lancashire, England

John Snowdon Head Married Male 33 1848 Mercht Clerk Melmerby, Cumberland, England
Jessie C Snowdon Wife Married Female 31 1850 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Charles E Snowdon Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William F Snowdon Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Jessie Snowdon Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Josephine Snowdon Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Herbert Snowdon Son Single Male 3 1878 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Gertrude Snowdon Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Cook Servant Single Female 16 1865 Gen Serv Runcorn, Cheshire, England

1910 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5Z6-FWF
Event Place (Original): Manhattan Ward 18, , New York
Joe Skinnar Head Male 45 New York
Gertrude Skinnar Wife Female 30 England
Louise Skinnar Daughter Female 4 New York
[Nominal census day was 25/4/1910 - URL has image link
Marr'd 5y; Immig 1900; Addy = 200 29th st]

Jessie C Snowdon left Liverpool 09.08.1910 on the SS Carmania and arrived back in Liverpool on 23.10.1910 again on the SS Carmania. Both passenger lists are on Ancestry.

Thanks Margaret. Where did you find that record ... I think she did have a daughter, Gertrude.

According to the record of her arrival in New York in 1910 she was going to visit her daughter Mrs, G?. A. Skinner/Skenner?, 194 East 31st. Street, Flatbush, Brooklyn, NY.

Thanks again greyghost. Yes, that is definitely her in 1911 and she died in Liverpool in 1919. Maybe she was just visiting the newly weds, but it was a year after the marriage!

Thanks greyghost. This is Jessie's son and he was a storekeeper on the ships, Minnie was a stewardess.
James lived in Liverpool and died there. I can't think why Jessie was visiting NY.

Looks to be in Liverpool in 1911 (narrows down return date)
Note surname spelling - fluctuates on census 1881-1911

1911 Census For England & Wales
3 Upper Baker Street Liverpool, West Derby, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jessie Catherine Snowden Head Married Female 63 1848 - Liverpool
J Mills Griffiths Son In Law Married Male 37 1874 Insurance Clerk Liverpool
Josephine Griffiths Daughter Married Female 34 1877 - Liverpool
Bot Stephens Visitor Single Female 32 1879 Actress London

View New York, Episcopal Diocese of New York Church Records, 1767-1970

Name: James Snowdon
Marriage Age: 29
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1880
Marriage Date: 15 Oct 1909
Marriage Place: New York, New York, USA
Church Name: Church of the Epiphany
Father: John H. Snowdon
Mother: Jessie C. Donaldson
Spouse: Minnie Wiseman
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From image -
Married at 507 ? Street
James Residence Liverpool
Minnie aged 29, Residence ? Trowmart Inn, NY
Her parents William Wiseman and Christina ? -orson
Witnesses - Mary Swift and John Smith

If anyone has a world membership to Ancestry I would be very grateful if they could look at the entry for Jessie under the NY Episcopal Diocese of NY Church Records 1767-1970.

I have Jessie going to NY in 1910 from Liverpool but I can't find a return to Liverpool, where she died in 1919 in Liverpool.

Thank you.