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Edith M Ryan

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Patrick

Patrick Report 16 Jun 2019 19:23

Looking for ancestors of Edith M Ryan born 1888, who married J.S. Wood in 1916. Also any ancestors of J.S.Wood born 1886.

safc

safc Report 16 Jun 2019 19:30

????

1939 Register logo
The National Archives logo
Edith M Wood's life in 1939
79 Park Road, Sutton Coldfield M.B., Warwickshire, England

Wood household
(5 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
John S Wood 10 Nov 1886 Male Temporary Sorting Clerk Gp Married 53 1
Edith M Wood 26 May 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 53 2
Margaret Melville (Wood) 13 Mar 1920 Female At College Single 53 3
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?
John R Wood 23 Jun 1932 Male At School Single 53 5

malyon

malyon Report 16 Jun 2019 19:51

Edith May Ryan
England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008

Name:
Edith May Ryan
Event Type:
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year:
1888
Registration District:
Aston
County:
Warwickshire
Event Place:
Aston, Warwickshire, England
Volume:
6D
Page:
353
Affiliate Line Number:
151

Edith M Ryan
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005
Name:
Edith M Ryan
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Place:
Aston, Warwickshire, England
Registration District:
Aston
County:
Warwickshire
Registration Quarter:
Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year:
1916
Volume:
6D
Page:
1177
Affiliate Line Number:
41
Spouse Name (available after 1911):
Wood
Possible Spouse:
John S Wood

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jun 2019 20:12

Have you done any research yourself?

malyon

malyon Report 16 Jun 2019 20:15

John Stanley Wood
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Collections from
Great Britain, England
Country
England
County
Warwickshire
Year
1979
Birth Year
1886
Event Quarter
2
District
Birmingham

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Jun 2019 21:29

In 1891, all the Ryans (apart from John) have been mistranscribed as Blake:

Edith Blake
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Edith Blake
[Edith Ryan]
Gender: Female
Age: 2
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1889
Father: Hannah Blake [ John Ryan ]
Mother: Sarah Blake
Birth Place: Witton, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Residence Place: Witton, Aston, Warwickshire, England
Sub registration district: Erdington
ED, Institution or Vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 2425
Folio: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Blake 57 - head, widow, Ireland
John Ryan 33 - son-in-law, metal cleaner, Staffs.
Sarah Blake 29 - [ Ryan ], wife, Birmingham
Joseph Blake 9 - son (of John & Sarah) - Birmingham
Alice Blake 7 - daughter (of J&S), Witton
John Blake 5 - son (of J&S), witton
Edith Blake 2 - daughter (of J&S), Witton
Nellie Blake 5/12 - daughter (of J&S), Witton


Edith Ryan
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Edith Ryan
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Father: John B Ryan
Mother: Sarah H Ryan
Birth Place: Witton, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Erdington
Ecclesiastical parish: Aston St Peter and St Paul
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors:
Piece: 2876
Folio: 147
Page Number: 13
Household schedule number: 78
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Blake 69
John B Ryan 43 - son
Sarah H Ryan 39 - daughter-in-law
Joseph Ryan 18
Alice Ryan 17
John Ryan 15
Edith Ryan 12
Nellie Ryan 10
Lilian Ryan 9

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Jun 2019 21:31

Edith Ryan
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edith Ryan
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Erdington
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 24 Deykin Avenue Witton
Marital status: Single
Occupation: French Polisher
Registration district: Aston
Registration District Number: 385
Sub-registration district: Erdinton
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 18338
Household Members:
Name Age
John Ryan 53
Sarah Hannah Ryan 49
Joseph Dixon Ryan 28
Alice Ryan 27
Edith Ryan 22
Sarah Nellie Ryan 20
Lillian Ryan 19
Doris Jessie Ryan 9

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Jun 2019 21:42

Ancestry suggests this is Sarah & John's marriage - but that's not correct, unless her mother Sarah Hemming was also known as Hannah - and where does the name Blake come into it?:

EDIT:
It IS correct. Sarah is Hannah's daughter-in-law, as per 1901, anc not her daughter as per 1891.

Sarah Hannah Bird
in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
Name: Sarah Hannah Bird
Gender: Female
Age: 20
Birth Date: abt 1861
Marriage Date: 14 Aug 1881
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Stephen, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Stephen
Father: Joseph Bird
Spouse: John Ryan



BIRD, SARAH HANNAH mms HEMMING
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 139


Sarah Hemming
in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937
Name: Sarah Hemming
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1833
Marriage Date: 28 Jan 1856
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Bartholomew, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Bartholomew
Father: Thomas Hemming
Spouse: Joseph Bird



Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%)
Bird Joseph Birmingham 6d 15
Hemming Sarah Birmingham 6d 15


??
Joseph Bird
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Joseph Bird
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Registration Year: 1883
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 48
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 55


EDIT:
Yes, this will be correct.
I was going by the 1891 census which says John Ryan is Hannah Blake's son-in-law, but in 1901 he's her son, which is correct.

So Sarah's maiden name isn't Blake after all - it's Bird

And anyway, Edith's mms is Bird:

RYAN, EDITH MAY mms BIRD
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 353

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Jun 2019 22:41

John Ryan
in the 1881 England Census
Name: John Ryan
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Perry Barr, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Handsworth
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 301 Aston Lane
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: West Bromwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors:
Piece: 2836
Folio: 38
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
George F. Challener 47
Eliza Challener 50
Fredk. I.Or J. Challener 23
Harriett Lizzie Challener 18
John Ryan 25

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Jun 2019 22:58


John Ryan
in the 1861 England Census
Name: John Ryan
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: 1857
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Honoray Ryan
Gender: Male
Where born: Perry Barr, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Handsworth
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 2020
Folio: 134
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Honoray Ryan 34 - widow, Ireland
Mary Ryan 6 - daughter, Perry Bar
John Ryan 4 - son

and several visitors:
Catharine Joyce 25
Mary Joyce 30
Joby Joyce 23
Bridget C Macdonald 27
John Macdonald 5/12
Pattrick Hussey 21


so John's birth ??

RYAN, JOHN mms JOYCE
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 522

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Jun 2019 23:19

Hannah/Honora changes from Ryan to Blake at some point between 1861 and 1881.

in 1881, the daughter Mary is now also Blake.

Hannah Blake
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Hannah Blake
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dunmore Co Galway
Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: Shop Nr Brook Side
Marital status: Married
Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Aston Manor
ED, institution, or vessel: 54
Neighbors:
Piece: 3046
Folio: 102
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Blake 50
Mary Blake 26 - daughter, ammunition worker, Aston
Ellen Blake - grand-daughter
James Halligan 25 - visitor

EDIT;

No that 1881 census is a different family ( ??? ).
Here they are in 1871, and the children have mms Morris.

Hannah Blake
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Hannah Blake
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John Blake
Gender: Female
Where born: Dummer, Ireland
[Dunmore County Galway]
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: Aston
Town: Witton
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Household schedule number: 11
Piece: 3159
Folio: 25
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Blake 49
Hannah Blake 48
Joseph Blake 18
Mary Blake 16
John Blake 15
Clara Blake 14
Charlotte Blake 13
Henry Blake 11


BLAKE, HENRY mms MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 318

BLAKE, CLARA mms MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 266

BLAKE, JOHN mms MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 16

BLAKE, CHARLOTTE mms MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 282

Patrick

Patrick Report 17 Jun 2019 09:53

Thank you all for the information.

Patrick