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Re; your post yesterday, AustinQ, time 14.38, you posted details of 1939 register, 75 Tonna Road, Maesteg, Wales. Household name, Richards.

Is it possible to send me a link for this entry, as I am unable to find it doing my own search. It is definatly the correct address for the family. Would like to view the actual record if possible, no problem if you cant.

Hi, that is not the entry I was looking at and now I cant find it. I do know from one of the Granddaughters that Catherine died at 48 or 49, which would make Thomas a widow in 1939 if we have the correct DOB.

75 Tonna Road is definatly the correct address.

It may have been one of his children living with him, I dont know. Or a lodger, after wife died.

I am speaking to another one of his few living grandchildren tomorrow, she may be able to tell me something. There are only 3 left, all in their 80's, spoke to 2 of them today, none of them know anything about their grandparents. All I really want to know is their DOB, date of marriage and Date of death. Will see what tomorrow brings. I am trying to get as much information as I can but the family just don't seem to know. I really do appreciate your help at GR.

Hi Deborah- which entry do you mean?

On the 1939 register (posted above) Thomas is shown as widowed (confirming his wife died before 1939).

There is no Kate on the register with him (there is someone living with him, but it is a closed record so no details are available) . Do you mean you've seen him with Kate on a different record? Kate is a shortened version of Catherine.

I did see that entry, wife is recorded as Kate, and her name is Catherine, they did live at 75 Tonna Road.

1939 register:

Richards Household (2 People) 75 Tonna Road , Maesteg U.D., Glamorganshire, Wales

Thomas Richards 28 ? 1877 Male Unemployed Colliery Haulier Belowground Widowed
Closed Record

Birth date first written as 28th April 1877, this was later changed to 28th May 1877.
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Possible death?:

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name RICHARDS
Gender Male
Birth year 1877
Age 71
Death quarter 2
Death year 1948
District Bridgend
County Glamorganshire
Volume 8B Page 19

Will do, thank you.

Come back to this thread when you have more information

I will do that, thank you all at GR for all your help today. I have more info than I started with.

Catherine Jones births in Machynlleth RD. 1880 +/- 2years.

She is consistent with age - 1901 aged 19 and 1911 aged 29 so born1881/2.

Census dates 1881 - 3 April, 1891 5 April, 1901 31 March, 1911 2 April

So born after census 1881 up to 2 April 1882 would make her 19/29 at later census

The 2 births with ** would therefore be most likely to put her at 19/29 and 49 at death. The Dec. Qtr birth would also be a possibility if a late registration - 6 weeks allowed in which to register so could have been born approx. mid August onwards.

Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: JONES, CATHERINE EDWARDS Order
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 173 Order
JONES, CATHERINE JONES Order

GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 175 Order
JONES, CATHERINE ROBERTS Order

GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 157 Order
JONES, CATHERINE THOMAS Order

GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 167 Order
JONES, CATHERINE ROWLANDS Order

**JONES, CATHERINE JONES Order
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 179 Order

**JONES, CATHERINE JONES Order
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 161 Order

JONES, CATHERINE HUMPHREYS Order
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 146

You may have to buy the marriage certificate to see who she named as Father and the family might be picked up on census pre marriage. Her BC would confirm Father and give first and maiden name of Mother to hopefully confirm. It would also give her age at marriage.

Certificates are available from GRO - marriage £9.25, but birth and death in years covered are offered in pdf format at the moment at £6

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro

Grandaughter was certain that her Grandmother was 48 when she died, probably near enough, but without too much information ie. middle names etc it's so hard to prove.

Bridgend would be the right area in Wales.

A possibility for Catherine if she was still living in same area as 1911 census and you have age at death right

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:

RICHARDS, CATHERINE 49 Order
GRO Reference: 1930 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 638

No, got it from GR earlier post. Had no idea when either of them were born, all we know in the family is that we think she died aged 48 or 49.

There are 3 grand children still alive but they are all in their late 80's, and they don't know either.

Births Mar 1879 (>99%)
Jones Catherine Machynlleth 11b 173

are you sur catherine was born in 1879

Still having trouble finding a birth entry for Catherine and a death entry for Thomas and Catherine. They are such common names.

Thank you.

could be catherines parents thats in Montgomeryshire area

Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)

Edwards Catherine Machynlleth 11b 313 Scan available - click to view
Jones John Machynlleth 11b 313

Hi Maddie,

Thank you, it's so difficult to prove, without any cross reference, I don't need to go back any further in time than this unless it proves which entry it is.

Am just trying to try and find a birth entry for Catherine and a death entry for Thomas and Catherine now you have given me something to go on.

Would it be possible to find out who Catherine's parents are please.