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ArgyllGran,
Thank you,Ive had to be a part timer unfortunately. & thank you for the Scotland Births info. No they didn't stay in Scotlant, I was informed they were up there as there were barracks up in Scotland at the time. Yes the Charles w Abbot 1880 is correct and. The Clara Pace marriage in Bristol is also correct..Charles w Abbot & Clara had five children ( I think there could have been a Ronald born in London) not too sure abt that one though..Clara is living in Salford on the 1911 census with a few of the children ( she is not a widow)
The story started with Richard Abbot 1819 and Robert Abbot 1820 ( Beetham Westmoreland). ( sons of Richard abbot 1796c (born Kirby Westmoreland) all Quarry men ..Benson Abbot( 1843) is the son of Richard (1819)and Alfred (1870) is the son of Benson..
Robert Abbot ( 1820) my 3x gt grandfather and his son Samuel Abbott* 1857 and his son George Robert Abbot 1878/9 ( married Ann Cartledge in Salford in 1912)..I have all info for Robert (1820) Charles w Abbot* (1880) and George R abbot*)1878/9).as they didn't have such a large a family as did Richard (1819)... which kind of made it a breeze threw...Regards Gwen

My goodness, you have been researching this family for a long time, haven't you, Cane?

2005 - re the family in 1881 posted above:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/records_office/thread/858588

Are you sure Charles W was Alfred's uncle?

That should mean he was Benson's brother.
But Benson was born 1843, and you say Charles was born 1880.


Is this his birth??

Births Jun 1880 (>99%)
ABBOTT Charles William Auckland 10a 240



?????

Charles W . Abbot
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Charles W . Abbot
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Samuel Abbot
Mother: Elizabeth A. Abbot
Gender: Male
Where born: Taft Hill, Durham, England
Civil Parish: East Layton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: East Layton
Registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4883
Folio: 57
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Abbot 23
Elizabeth A. Abbot 22
George Robert Abbot 3
Charles W. Abbot 1



????
Charles W Abbott
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Charles W Abbott
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Mar 1959
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Darlington
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 272

I can't see them in 1911 in Scotland, England, or Wales.

Nor Charles in any census, for that matter, not if he was born 1880 Darlington.

[EDIT: Oh, I see - when you wondered about your Abbott family being in Scotland c 1925, I thought you meant Alfred and Mary specifically.
But you meant Abbots in general.]


What other details do you have about Charles W Abbot and family?
Did they live in Scotland? When did Charles and Clara marry?

This is the nephew's birth:

1927 ABBOTT CHARLES RICHARD M GRANGEMOUTH /STIRLING 481/B2 0072

You would have to buy a copy of the cert to see exact date, details of parents, etc

If they lived in Scotland, this could be Samuel's birth:

1916 ABBOTT SAMUEL M GRANGEMOUTH /STIRLING 481/B2 0183

and Charles junior ??

1918 ABBOTT CHARLES WILLIAM M GRANGEMOUTH /STIRLING 481/B2 0170

The birth certs would give parents' names, for verification, and place & date of marriage.


There's no sign of Charles & Clara's marriage in Scotland.

In England there are these two possibilities:

Charles William Hawn Abbott
in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1912
Name: Charles William Hawn Abbott
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1878
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1900
Marriage Place: Hargrave, Hargrave, England
Event Type: Marriage
Spouse: Clara Louisa Ward (age 21)
Parish as it Appears: Hargrave
Register Type: Parish Registers.

(on the GRO index, per FreeBMD, his third initial is F, not H.)


Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
Abbott Charles William Bristol 6a 104 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Badrick William George Bristol 6a 104
Hodge Mary Ann Bristol 6a 104
Pace Clara Bristol 6a 104 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

ArgyllGran Thank you so much I can now rule out this .It was Alfreds Uncle Charles w abbot born 1880 in Darlington and wife Clara and their sons Samuel abbot abt 1913 and Charles abbot not long after and their nephew Charles Richard abbott 1924/26 born Greenock Scotland..i don't have their birth details

Cane, you mention the possibility of your "Abbot family being in Scotland during 1915/25 plus".

They certainly weren't in Scotland in 1911.
Alfred didn't die in Scotland 1901 - 11.
Mary didn't die in Scotland 1901 - 69.

So I doubt they were there in 1915-20, unless they went away and came back later.

They don't seem to have moved to England either - at least there's no sign of Mary in the English 1911 census.
IF they did move to England, but perhaps Mary died before the 1911 census, then
there's this possibility (just going by age - no other reason):

Deaths Sep 1903 (>99%)
Abbott Mary 34 W. Derby 8b 331

But no - I can't see Alfred in England in 1911, either.

If Alfred was in England later, then this death might be his - at least the age would be right - but it's a sheer guess, not based on anything:

Deaths Dec 1925 (>99%)
Abbott Alfred W 55 Southwark 1d 24

We haven't found any emigration records for them - not definitively, anyway. There are various possibles, but individually, not travelling together, and not enough detail to identify them positively.

These are the only Alfreds showing in 1911 Scotland. It's definitely not the last one as he was born in Lanark and married to Annie.



1 1911 ABBOTT ALFRED M 30 ST CLEMENT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/03 020/00 021
2 1911 ABBOTT ALFRED M 2 ST CLEMENT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/03 020/00 021
3 1911 ABBOTT ALFRED M 43 GORBALS GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/17 004/00 022

Second name definitely William.

Name: Alfred William Abbott
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1870
Baptism Place: Cockfield, Durham, England
Father: Benson Abbott
Mother: Phillis Abbott
FHL Film Number: 1514581

ArgyllGran ...Thank you very much for this amazing info..I didn't have the marriage between Alfred and Mary WOW thank you once again x
This is giving me more of an insight into my Abbot family being in Scotland during 1915/25 plus

Suggestion for Alfred and Mary's marriage - not that it helps with what happened to them after 1901:

1894 ABBOT ALFRED WILLIAM
LINDSAY MARY
BLACKFRIARS GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/05 0301

Mary Lindsay was born in Stonehouse 1869, which matches Mary Abbot's details in 1901:

Mary Lindsay
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Mary Lindsay
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: William Lindsay
Mother's name: Helen Lindsay
Gender: Female
Where born: Stonehouse, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil Parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Buchanan'S Property
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 153
Line: 5
Roll: cssct1881_265
Household Members:
Name Age
William Lindsay 39
Helen Lindsay 39
Alexander Lindsay 19
Mary Lindsay 12
Jane Lindsay 10
Janet Lindsay 6
William Lindsay 3




Mary Lindsay
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Mary Lindsay
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship: Sevt
Gender: Female
Where born: Stonehouse, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 647
Registration district: Hamilton <<<<<<<< where she and Alfred lived in 1901.
Civil Parish: Hamilton
Town: Hamilton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 96 Burnbank Rd
Occupation: General Domestic Sevt
ED: 1A
Household schedule number: 305
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1891_309
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Gibson 35
Mary W Gibson 9
Jeanie McCulloch 65
Mary Lindsay 21

The Alfred Abbot who died in Scotland in 1903 isn't your Alfred.

He was 26, died in Dundee, and was named Alfred James.

I can't see Mary Abbot after 1901 either. She was born in Stonehouse, Lanarkshire.

There were 2 children before Alfred:

Alfred W Abbot

in the 1871 England Census
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Name: Alfred W Abbot
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's name: Benson Abbot
Mother's name: Phillis Abbot
Gender: Male
Where born: Cockfield, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Cockfield
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Teesdale
Sub-registration district: Staindrop
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 135
Piece: 4942
Folio: 42
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Benson Abbot 28
Phillis Abbot 27
Richard Abbot 6
Stephen H Abbot 2
Alfred W Abbot 1

Marriage was 1864 not 1863.

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Abbot Benson Auckland 10a 199
Hope Phillis Auckland 10a 199

Alfred w Abbot is the son of Benson Abbot(1843) and Phillis Abbot ( nee hope) they were married 3rd quarter 1863 Auckland county Durham.
Alfred w abbot was born 1870 Cockfield Durham
Benson and Phillis had ten children but ive only managed to find eight

cane, there are over 1,000 Alfred Abbotts on the US city directories.

What more do you know about him? When and whom did he marry? Where's he born? Any children? Parents?

Not specifically..But whilst searching for him on ancestry.hints came up on the right side panel all showing his nameon U S CITY DIRECTORIES

Did you have any reason to believe that he went to America, cane?

it could well be him safc...How old is he