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Chris ............


you are very welcome.

you know we love puzzles :-D

I had a long thank you piece and just minutes ago instead of edit I hit delete!

Adelaide was the sister of my g.gmother Isabella Jane Middleton (b. Camberwell 1855/56) who married Robert Spence b. Dublin a foundry and marine engineer. His father and two uncles owned a foundry, Spence Bros, sited next door to Guiness Works. Mentioned before are Arthur, Jessie and Maud were 3 of Isabella's children. My mother was named Isabella Jane Spence after her g.mother.

I am so delighted to have got through this brick wall and by the looks of it the other research had no idea of Adelaide's sister existing.

Thanks everyone for your help. :-D :-D :-D

SylviainCanada

Am so relieved to hear Adelaide was respectable looking! Probably looked like an innocent cherub. Reading the remark of her father that she was of very eccentric habits has triggered off a memory.

I used to hear my dad tease my Mum about 'mad arthur'. I met Arthur when I was 13/14, he was living with his and Aunt Jessie's sister - Aunt Maude. We turned up unannounced to Maude's home in Dublin. Arthur was home alone. White hair down past his shoulders wearing white gloves (apparently he only took them off to play the piano). I gathered up courage (as my Dad was there) would he play for me please. He was delighted until he found the instrument was locked. Aunt Maude had taken the key out with her! He was offered a situation with a Philly Orchestra until it was discovered he could not sight read. This gift still appears in the Spence cousins today.

Aunt Maud as far back as 1958 at my dad's funeral was telling everyone in hearing that the Kaiser owed her 4 years salary for her husband. His ship was in Hamburg when WW1 broke out and he was imprisoned for 4 years. No pay but she was adamant he owed her! I reckon there is a streak of eccentricity in the Spence lot.

Witnesses on the marriage record are....Thomas Myddleton and her sister Isabella Jane Myddleton.


Banns.....Surname Pask on the image.

Adelaide Myddleton in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Adelaide Myddleton (Spinster)
Spouse: Charles Past (Bachelor)
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 21 Oct 1866
Parish: St Paul, Deptford
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Register


Isabella Jane Middleton in the London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Isabella Jane Middleton
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Nov 1855
Father's name: Thomas Middleton (Parchment Maker) Princes Place
Mother's name: Jane Elizabeth Middleton
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Have you found Isabella after the 1861 census?

I can't seem to spot her after she witnessed Adelaide's marriage in 1866.

Charles Park

in the London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Record Image View

Name: Charles Park
[Charles Pask]
Spouse: Adelaide Myddleton
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Oct 1866
Parish: St Paul, Deptford
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: William Park
Register Type: Parish Register

Original gives her father as Thomas, parchment manufacturer.

Transcribed as "Parke" on the 1911 census.......

1911 Wales Census
Name Adelaid Parke
Age in 1911 64
Estimated Birth Year abt 1847
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Birth Place London, England
Civil parish Cardiff
County/Island Glamorgan
Country Wales
Street Address 15 Aldsworth Road Canton Cardiff
Marital Status Married
Years Married 45
Estimated Marriage Year 1866

Registration district Cardiff
Sub-registration district West Cardiff

Charles Parke 65 (Cooper Ely Brewery) Usk, Mon
Adelaid Parke 64

Married 45 years.....13 children born, 12 living, 1 had died.

the birthplaces in the 1881 are


Charles Paske abt 1847 Usk, Monmouth, Wales
Adelaide Paske abt 1847 Walworth, Surrey, England
Thomas Paske abt 1868 Walworth, Surrey, England
Caroline Paske abt 1869 Mile End, Middlesex, England
John Paske abt 1871 Dublin, Ireland
William Paske abt 1873 Dublin, Ireland
Albert Paske abt 1876 Bristol
Robert Paske abt 1878 Bristol
Isabella Paske abt 1880 Bristol


I think this is probably eldest son Thomas's birth

Births Dec 1867
Paske Charles Oliver T D Newington 1d 181

One son, Frederick, died in WW1 at Basra

records on ancestry

OK ........

so we've left Chris with a lot of searching to do :-D

Interesting ....... at some point, they seem to have moved back to Bristol, Somerset, where Thomas Middleton was born,

England, Select Bristol Parish Registers, 1538-1900

Name: Albert Paske
Baptism Date: 12 Sep 1875
Baptism Place: Bristol, St Matthias, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Charles Paske
Mother: Adelaide Paske
FHL Film Number: 4209410


Unfortunately, I can't see the image to see what Charles' occupation is!

there's actually at least 3 trees .............. one has her as Myddleton, parents unknown

The tree owner doesn't actually have that marriage ... they have just assumed a marriage date from the number of years married stated in the 1911 census

Chris may want to get in touch and share info

tree easily found at Ancestry by searching for Adelaide Paske (now that I found her on that all-records search at Ancestry for Adelaide Middleton)

I have no idea why Ancestry turned up Adelaide Paske, since the name Middleton doesn't seem to figure anywhere in that tree

it's awful when you find Ancestry is smarter than you are

well done on getting the break!!

I'd tried different spelling of Middleton ............. Mid*ton

never thought of the M*d :-(

aha Sylvia, I hadn't tried spelling variants

there it is, PASK and MYDDLETON

good on us

looks like Charles must have been in the military

and another :-)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG8Y-49X

Name William Henry Parke
Gender Male
Birth Date 08 Aug 1872
Birthplace Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
Father's Name Charles Parke
Mother's Name Adelaide Middleton

Joonie

This looks like the marriage they are citing


Marriages Dec 1866 (>99%)

MYDDLETON Adelaide Greenwich 1d 1079
PASK Charles Greenwich 1d 1079

Well done that looks promising

Deaths Dec 1925
Paske Adelaide 79 Cardiff 11a 470

oh ho, yes indeed

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPJT-9SM

Name John James Paske
Gender Male
Birth Date 17 Sep 1870
Birthplace Dublin, Ireland
Father's Name Charles Paske
>>> Mother's Name Adelaide Middleton

Sylvia .............

I found them in 1891 and 1901, and I think I found Jane by herself in Lancashire in 1881 as a parchment maker ....


but Adelaide is not with them


I can't find a certain marriage or death for her ............... A M is not an unusual name

I looked on Passenger lists but they all start much later