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Hello, Joseph Fuller was born in1835 either Wandsworth or Hatfield according to which census you read .He married Mary Ann Crump 14 March 1852. in Lambeth .

Can some kind person find out who his mother & father are please . I am trying to update my tree on Ancestry.com and after trying all day have not been able to establish this mum & dad


Thank you :-)

Father is James Fuller, occ. Paper Maker, her Father, William Crump, occ. Boot Maker. Residence at Time for both, Waterloo Road. Below pair are witnesses, both as Barnard.


Marriages Mar 1852 (>99%)
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Barnard Richard William Lambeth 1d
Fuller Rebecca Lambeth 1d 322 322

Chris :)

edits (Sister)

Hertfordshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Rebecca
Last name Fuller
Baptism year 1833
Baptism date 18 Jul 1833
Place St Albans, St Peter
Father's first name(s) James
Father's occupation Paper Maker
Mother's first names(s) Jane


http://winsomegriffin.com/Barnard/RichardWilliamBarnard.html

(seems Barnards went to NZ 1859. Rebecca Death 1912 Vic. Aus.)

Here's his baptism with parents names



Name:Joseph Fuller

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:28 Jun 1835

Baptism Place:Hatfield,Hertford,England

Father:James Fuller

Mother:Jane

FHL Film Number:
569725, 569726, 569727

1841

Name:Joseph Fuller

Age:6

Estimated birth year:abt 1835

Gender:Male

Civil Parish:Wandsworth Wimbledon

Hundred:Brixton (Western Division)

County/Island:Surrey

Registration district:Wandsworth

Piece:1069
Book:3
Folio:52
Page Number:9


Rebecca Styles 20
Mary Ampey 40
Mary Ann Ampey 10
Matilda Ampey 9
Louisa Ampey 6
Cecilia Ampey 4
Jame Fuller 50 <<<Paper maker
Jane Fuller 40
Ann Fuller 15
Rebecca Fuller 8
Joseph Fuller 6
Eliza Fuller 2
John Curbey 30
Henry Wheeler 30
Thomas Hook 30
Thomas Harker 60
Mary Harker 25
Thomas Colyer 35
Elizabeth Colyer 35

Thank you looks good. It is a shame we don't know Janes surname

Marriages & Marriage Licences (1538 - 1922)

James Fuller
Jane Beck
St Albans St Peters
marriage register 10 Jun 1833

http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/leisculture/heritage1/hals/indexes/

(Names Online)

Chris :)

Name:Jane Bradbury

Gender:Female

Marriage Date:29 Dec 1833

Marriage Place:St. Mary'S, Lambeth, Surrey, England

Spouse:James Fuller

FHL Film Number:1041644

Reference ID:item 2 p 90

Thanks Gins

Hertfordshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Eliza
Last name Fuller
Baptism year 1839
Baptism date 07 Apr 1839
Place St Albans, Abbey
Father's first name(s) James
Father's occupation Victualler
Mother's first names(s) Jane

(if below)


Births Sep 1838 (>99%)
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FULLER Eliza St. Albans 6 416

Chris :)

Thanks Chris

Had great difficulty tracing James after 1841 census as his age is way out !!!

This is the family on 1851:


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Skinners Archway Court, Garret Lane, St Anns Wandsworth, Wandsworth, Surrey, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Fuller Head Married Male 72 1779 Paper Maker Dartford, Kent, England
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Jane Fuller Wife - Female 55 1796 Paper Maker Hertfordshire, England
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Rebecca Fuller Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 Paper Maker Hatfield, Hertfordshire, England
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Joses Fuller Son - Male 16 1835 Ag Labourer Hatfield, Hertfordshire, England
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Eliza Fuller Daughter - Female 12 1839 Scholar Wandsworth, Surrey, England
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Henry Harker - - Male 8 1843 Scholar Wandsworth, Surrey, England
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James Long Lodger Unmarried Male 24 1827 Ag Labourer Essex, England
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John Plant Lodger Unmarried Male 21 1830 Ag Labourer Hartford, Hertfordshire, England
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William Winton Grand Son - Male 6 1845 - Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Dea x

Thank you very much Dea, Sorry but Time Zones made it impossible to answer before . I am very grateful to all

Sheila :-)

Well, it sems that the marriage above for James Fuller to Jane Beck will be the correct one (not Jane Bradbury who many people have on their trees)...

I followed the grandson William Winton from 1851 census as grandson of James and Jane.

In 1861 he is with his parents James Winton + Ann.


This looks to be the parents' marriage :

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
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Name Ann Beck ****
Registration Year 1844
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Wandsworth
Inferred County London
Volume 4
Page 535
Household Members
Name Age
Caroline Aldridge
Frances Atkinson
Ann Beck
Edward Burridge
Charles Davies
Isaline Pryor
William Taylor
James Winton ****



confirmed pairing here although Ann's surname is misspelled:

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
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Name James Winton
Gender Male
Marriage Date 15 Jul 1844
Marriage Place All Saints,Wandsworth,London,England
FHL Film Number 0599302 IT 1, 307713, 307714, 307715
Household Members
Name Age
Ann Beek
James Winton


As Ann's name is Beck she would probably be the daughter of Jane, either illigitimate or from a previous marriage?

This marriage looks very probable:

William Beck
Jane White
St Albans St Peters
marriage register
2 May 1818


Dea x

Oh Dear, Thanks Dea I'll have to have a hard copy and have a good look . I can't do anything tonight as it is 7 pm Sunday

Thanks again there is much to think about

Sheila xox :-D :-S

Enjoy the rest of your Sunday Evening Sheila - here is the 1861 for William + his family for your reference tomorrow:


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Cottage Place, St Pauls, Greenwich, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Winton Head Married Male 40 1821 Laborer General Sussex, England

Ann Winton Wife Married Female 33 1828 - St Albans, Hertfordshire, England

William Winton Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Labourer In Dock Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Charles Winton Son Unmarried Male 12 1849 - Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Henry Winton Son Unmarried Male 9 1852 - Wandsworth, Kent, England

Joseph Winton Son Unmarried Male 3 1858 - Wandsworth, Kent, England

Dea x

Good Morning Dea Thank you for all the effort you have put in while I was asleep :-D now all this is food for thought and will finish this branch of my tree of. but knowing me ???????


Sheila xox

Do let us know how you get on and if you need any further help just ask on here.

Dea Xxx

Does anybody else share below, as posted earlier, that would give Maiden name of Jane...

Births Sep 1838 (>99%)
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FULLER Eliza St. Albans 6 416

Chris :)


Hertfordshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Anne
Last name Beck
Baptism year 1826
Baptism date 15 Jan 1826
Place St Albans, St Peter
Father's first name(s) William
Father's occupation Laborer
Mother's first names(s) Jane


(there is below Burial, age 48 on image)

Beck William 1780 — 1828 Hertfordshire Burials St Albans, St Peter, Hertfordshire


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Crump Mary Ann 1835 — 1841 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Wandsworth, Wandsworth & Clapham, Surrey, England

(and just to add, above has Father John, occ. Tailor, in case being muddled as Mary Crump who Married Joseph Fuller, her Father William)

(did notice somebody had below 'old')

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1091555

I think I'll turn into a teapot .I don't know where I now stand . But thinks I think I'll away with ( another ) hard copy and a stiff drink this time as I now think you are right but I must sort it out before I send of to the GRO for ???????


Sheila :-D :-D

Oh Sheila - you do sound 'in a tizzy' ;-) :-D

Which bit is causing you the most confusion ?

What have we brought to light that differs from where you were going?

Did you say that you have your tree on Ancestry? - Is it a 'Public' tree that we can take a look at to see if we can help?

Dea Xxx

P.S. - Enjoy your 'stiff drink' but make sure you only have the one or you will be even more confused :-D :-D