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The Registers for The Diocese of Kerry also cover the West of Cork and some go back to the 1700s and the Marriage and Baptisms for James Gilbert and Margaret Sullivan are there but its diffcult to make out where they were from....although they are pretty easy to read...its deciphering the townland the couple were from that often a problem...

Eringobragh I was going to suggest exactly that possibility and had a brain glitch and it went in and out of my head!

Excellent.

Thank you

I will go with what you have given me ,and see what I come up with,

I'll think about getting the certificate,

sylvia

"Hannah" b 1818..was named Johanna...


Name
JOHANNA GILBERT

Date of Birth
29 November 1818

Address
KILLARNEY

Father
JAMES GILBERT

Mother
MARGARET SULLIVAN

Sylann ... again ... if you get the 1840 marriage certificate you will know whether it was your Johanna or not by the father's name ... there really is not a way around this

where you got the 1841 census (don't know where it was) there could have been a ditto-type error made if Hector Munro McLean appeared before Johanna in the list and it was just assumed that the McLean was also the surname of the other Munros that followed; that is what I would imagine

in any case the 1815 marriage looks a little too close to be coincidence, as long as the source isn't someone's family tree for which there is no confirmation (don't know what 'come up on Ancestry' means)

http://tinyurl.com/p9q3rn8

that is a link to baptisms with father James Gilbert and mother Margaret Sullivan in Killarney, Kerry, 1817-1876: Mary Hannah John James, with ample room for a child born 1820

no Johanna in the list but that does not mean she was not their child

except her birth was stated as Cork ... but it may have been as they are not far distant, or she may have just mistaken where she grew up for where she was born, or the usual explanations for birthplace shifts ... those parish records might not be available at familysearch ...


here is the Gilbert+Sullivan marriage in any event

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGN5-4YN

there are a few James and John Gilberts in the English census but nothing that would peg any as related

Death of Johanna Walker

Joan Walker died 5 Feb 1887 Linlithgow
Widow of Richard Walker a shoemaker
father James Gilbert
mother Margaret Sullivan

But it doesn't say anything about her first marriage t would have been good if they had . I have seen on death certificates in Scotland datails of marriages and children

A marriage has come up on ancestry

1815 Killarney Kerry Ireland James Gilbert & Margaret Sullivan

I like the idea that the two Hectors are grandson of the older one in 1841
got it on ancestry and Freecen same people but names are spelt differently
This is why I thought the info I had was wrong in my 1841 census it had Johanna Munro Mclean ??

Thanks again for your help

agreed Potty - the older Hector is the father of Joanna's husband (John Munro?)

so Joanna's info is consistent throughout records, born 1820-21, and yes, Sylann should certainly have got that death record ... although it only names parents if they were known to the informant? and that long and far removed from her birth, perhaps they weren't ...

Given Scottish naming patterns, I would guess that the two young Hectors in the 1841 are grandsons of the older Hector.

I can find Joanna up until 1871 where she is shown as Head of Household, so assume Richard had died.


Name:Joanna Walker
Age:50
Estimated birth year:abt 1821
Relationship:Head
Gender:Female
Where born:Cork, Ireland
Registration Number:668
Registration district:Linlithgow

Address:Lion Well Wynd And 173 High St
Occupation:Boot - Gover

Joanna Walker 50
Agnes Walker 21
Thomas Walker 16
Richard Walker 14
Margaret Walker 10
Joanna Walker 7

This looks like her death:

1 1887 WALKER JOAN GILBERT F 67 LINLITHGOW /WEST LOTHIAN 668/00 0022

The image on scotlandspeople should name her parents.

well we do now Sylann because we spent the time searching for what you know when you didn't tell us :-)

there are two Hectors in that 1841 household according to Ancestry, the infant Hector Munro and the older child Hector Munro McLean ... given Ancestry's abysmal transcriptions you would have to look at the original image at scotlandspeople to see what it really said for Johanna, but are the 1841 and 1851 censuses not almost necessarily the same people?

if you could give info about where Johanna or Johanna's other children are in the 61 71 81 91 ... censuses, someone might be able to take another look for Johanna with that info to help

we just do not know as much as you do!

also if you do not get the 1840 English marriage certificate you will not know whether that is your Johanna (by comparing father's name etc)

and of course that marriage certificate would give info about the first husband to use in tracing what became of him and whether he is related to the Munro household in Scotland in the 1841 census

ditto :-) I have the name in my tree and it comes out as Mu / Mo randomly

I should add that I looked for Monro / Munro /Monroe / Munroe ................. just to cover all bases!

that would help!!

I know, or a Hector Munro/Monro+Tomlinson marriage in either country

still I suspect Sylann is not looking for the more recent details of Hector :-)

of course, if only we did know how she got back to and is related to Johanna Gilbert Munro Walker ...

although this is odd

1891 Census

Name Age
Hector Munro 50 Newsagent
Jane Tomlinson 14 b.ca 1877, Kilburne, Ayrshire, Scotland, Stepdaughter


I can't find a Jane Tomlinson in 1881


??? this Hector's death

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name: Hector Munro
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Registration Year: 1895
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Oldham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 543
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 543

gotcha on the edit

it would be a little odd to skip out and go to his family :-)

but to go live with them while he was in the military if she had no family locally would make sense

remember she remarried in 1848

see edited note to my post of 8 Nov 2015 00:19

there are a couple of John Munro's born in Scotland down in the Plymouth area in both 1841 and 1851, living in Army Barracks


but that's guessing, based on the possible marriage.

If true, it may mean that she skipped out on him :-)

I wondered the same ... couldn't find any confirmed sighting between 1851 and then (there is one in Scotland in 1861, nephew of a May Munro, but the other names don't fit)

figured Sylann might know the course of Hector's career since he is the person she may know about


unfortunately looking for records of Joanna Gilbert before her marriage will likely be a Herculean task

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could this possibly be Hector in 1891???

1891 Census

Name: Hector Munro
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Taunton, Somerset, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Oldham
Sub registration district: Oldham Above Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Piece: 3309
Folio: 96
Page Number: 57

Hector Munro 50
Jane Tomlinson 14


EDITED ................


NOT apparently Joanna's child

from http://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries


County Somerset
Place Taunton
Church name St Mary
Register type PR
Baptism date 20 Oct 1840
Person forename Hector James Taunton
Person abode North St.
Father forename John
Father surname MUNRO
Father occupation Private in 25th. Regiment
Mother forename Emma
Notes Native of Edinburgh. Private in 25th. Regiment passing through Taunton.