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Aww thank you all for your help got a wealth of information here to digest :-) i think I'm just going to have to presume that Ashantinus was somehow related to Urse most probably his brother I've been trying to find anything that says they are related .I know Ashantinus witnessed a charter for Bishop Flambard regarding Islandshire and also Norham and that Urse was also close to a Ranulf Flambard possibly the same Flambard .It's just difficult when the English scribed the surname of this man from Latin also known as De Wygomia Wycester .... Thank you all x

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Abetot, Urse de, 41. Abingdon, co. Berks. (Abendon) : master Edmund of, archbishop-elect of Canterbury, 182. Abinor, Philip, abbot of Vaudey, 182. Abraham : John, 211.

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URSE "The BEAR" d'ABITOT - BARON of ELMLEY - VISCOUNT & HEREDITARY SHERIFF of WORCESTERSHIRE - CASTELIAN of WORCESTER CASTLE


In the second half of the eleventh century, at the time of the Domesday Survey (1086), the one name most likely to send the chill of fear down the spine of everyone in the County of Worcestershire, young and old, rich and poor, was that of Urso the Sheriff, or simply Urso, or Urse as he was most generally known. (The name of Urso d’Abitot is used only once in the Survey). Forceful, dynamic and resolute he certainly was. by Eric Smith @ redmarley.org

“Urso de Abtot, son of Almericus de Abtot, lord of the town and territory of Abtot in Normandy, came in with the Conqueror and was made Sheriff of Worcestershire, he and his heirs, and baron of Elmley. He had issue, Roger, baron of Elmley and sheriff of Worcestershire, who in a furious fit of anger commanded one of the King’s officers to be slain; for which Henry I disinherited him of his great possessions. His sister Emeline being married to Walter Beauchamp, baron of Bedford, the barony of Elmley, and sheriffalty came into that family. – MS, in the Temple Library*. by Dr. R. Treadway Nash


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I'm sure you have googled and found the wealth of information written about this man. Have not found anything to answer your original query though.

Wow ! Thank you all so much I'm so grateful all your help it really ,really is appreciated ! How ironic that my own county is Warwickshire and the Eblom is the Bear and STaff of Urse ! There's a snippet on John Hogsons history of Northumberland about " the eminent house of Swinburne " sorry I can't paste it for some reason ,which states we are related to a lot of Normandy folk that helped conquer England. The despencer brother of Urse is Princess Di family and Winston Churchills direct line. I wonder then if Urse had 2 other brothers one of them could be possibly be Ashantinus de Wirecestre who the founder the Swinburne line in Northumberland which is my direct line .If so this could possibly tie in with the Tankerville link ? :-S :-)

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Chris :)

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Family of Walter + of BEAUCHAMP and Emmelina + of ABITOT





Husband: Walter + of BEAUCHAMP (1085-1132)
Wife: Emmelina + of ABITOT (1082- )
Children: William of BEAUCHAMP (1110-1169)
Marriage 1104 Worcester, Worcestershire, England

Husband: Walter + of BEAUCHAMP





Name: Walter + of BEAUCHAMP
Sex: Male
Father: Hugh + of BEAUCHAMP (1067-1141)
Mother: Adeliza + Matilda TAILLEBOIS (1070- )
Birth 1085 Elmley Castle, Worcestershire, England
Occupation Sheriff of Worcestershire
Death 1132 (age 46-47)

Wife: Emmelina + of ABITOT





Name: Emmelina + of ABITOT
Sex: Female
Father: Urso + of ARBITOT (1054-1118)
Mother: Adeline + (1056- )
Birth 1082 Barley, Derbyshire, England

Child 1: William of BEAUCHAMP





Name: William of BEAUCHAMP
Sex: Male
Spouse: Maud + of BRAOSE (1114-1200)
Birth 1110 Elmley Castle, Worcestershire, England
Death 1169 (age 58-59)

Note on Husband: Walter + of BEAUCHAMP

Walter de Beauchamp (died between 1130 and 1133) was a medieval nobleman and Sheriff of Worcester. Beauchamp is sometimes known as Walter de Beauchamp of Elmley to distinguish him from the members of the Beauchamp family of Bedford.[2]



Beauchamp married the daughter of Urse d'Abetot, who is usually named Emeline, although her name is not given in contemporary records.[3][4] Urse d'Abetot was the Sheriff of Worcestershire from around 1069 to around 1108.[5] Beauchamp may have been a tenant of his father-in-law prior to his marriage.[4] Nothing is known of Beauchamp's background, and he first witnesses a royal charter sometime between 1108 and 1111.[6]



In 1114, Beauchamp became Sheriff of Worcester and held the office until 1130.[3] Beauchamp inherited most of d'Abetot's lands and the office of sheriff of Worcestershire when Roger d'Abetot, Urse's son, forfeited his lands and offices after being exiled by Henry I for murder.[7] King Henry I of England granted Beauchamp the right to hunt wolves and foxes in the royal forests of Worcestershire.[8] Along with the right to hunt in the royal forests, came a grant of the right to keep pheasants on Beauchamp's own lands, and the right to fine anyone hunting the birds without Beauchamp's permission.[9] He probably held the office of royal forester for Worcestershire as well as sheriff, for after Walter de Beauchamp's death and during the time of King Stephen of England, Stephen's rival for the throne of England, Matilda granted Walter's son William the farm of the forests of Worcestershire at the same rate as was held by William's father.[8] The historian Judith Green felt that Walter de Beauchamp might possibly have held the office of constable, which had been held by his father-in-law,[6] although the historian C. Warren Hollister felt that Beauchamp definitely did hold the office.[10] He was also a dispenser,[11] an officer in the royal household. While a member of the royal household, Beauchamp witnessed a number of royal charters, mainly when the king was in England.[10]



Beauchamp and the Bishop of Worcester had a dispute over the lands that Beauchamp inherited from d'Abetot. The dispute caused the two sides to agree to the creation of the Worcester Survey.[12]



Sometime between 1130 and 1133, Beauchamp died and his heir was his son William de Beauchamp.[3] Stephen de Beauchamp, a tenant on the Beauchamp lands and a friend of Robert of Gloucester, was likely a younger son of Walter's.[4]



Another daughter of Urse d'Abetot's married Robert Marmion, but the two brothers-in-law disagreed about the division of the lands, leading to a long dispute between the two families that was only settled in the late 12th century.[13]

The Domesday Book Online - Herefordshire A-L


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Boitune: Osbern FitzRichard. ... Last: Roger de Mussegros; ... King's land, formerly Queen Edith; Urse d'Abetot; Roger de Lacy; Ralph de Mortimer; William FitzNorman; ...

URSE d'Abetot (fl. 1086), sheriff of Worcestershire, derived his name from St. Jean d'Abbetot, near Tancarville (Seine Inférieure). He appears in ‘Domesday’ as a tenant-in-chief in the counties of Gloucester, Worcester, Hereford, and Warwick, being also styled in it ‘Urso de Wirecestre’ (f. 169 b) from his office as sheriff of Worcestershire. William of Malmesbury, describing him as ‘Vicecomes Wigorniæ a rege constitutus,’ tells the story of his encroaching on the cemetery of Worcester Abbey to make his castle ditch, and of his stern rebuke for it by Archbishop Ealdred: ‘


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Urse d'Abitot, 1065 - 1117



Urse d'Abitot was born in 1065, at birth place, to Amaury Raoul d'Abitot and Agnes d'Abitot (born de Ponthieu).

Amaury was born in 1046, in Lillebonne, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France.

Agnes was born in 1053, in Ponthieu, Somme, Picardie, France.


Urse had 3 siblings: Robert le Despenser (d'Abetot) and 2 other siblings.


Urse married Adeline d'Abitot (born de Abetot`) at marriage place.

Adeline was born in 1067, in Lehavre, Normandy, France.

They had one daughter: Emmeline de Beauchamp (born d'Abitot Despenser).


Urse passed away in 1117, at age 52 at death place.

He was buried at burial place.

Viscount Urse D'Abitot, Circa 1040 - 1108



Urse D'Abitot was born circa 1040, at birth place, to Aumary Amaury (Almeric Almaric Raoul D'Abitot and Helindis Helisanda D'Abitot.

Aumary was born in 1036, in Normandy, France.

Helindis was born in Europe, France, Belle, Eure, Alencon.


Urse had 3 brothers: Robert Despencer and 2 other siblings.


Urse married Adeliza (Alice Adelicia Atheliza Adelisa) D'Abitot (born Witley) at marriage place.

Adeliza was born in Little Witley Manor, Worcester, Worcestershire, England.

They had 3 daughters: Unknown Marmion (born Abitot) and 2 other children.


His occupation was occupation.


Urse passed away in 1108, at age 68 at death place.

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"Walter de Beauchamp, who married Urse's daughter Emmeline (Dugdale), obtained from Henry I a confirmation of the lands given him by Adelisa, Urse's widow, together with the shrievalty of Worcestershire and the office of constable. These grants, which are recorded in the Warwick cartulary, founded the greatness of the Beauchamps, whose descendants, it is said, preserved the memory of Urse in the well-known ‘bear’ cognisance of the earls of Warwick."

Urso (Urse) "The Bear'' ''Viscount of Worcestershire" "Baron of Elmley" d'Abitot formerly Abitot aka d'Abbetot

Born about 1045 in St Jean d'Abbetot, le Havre, Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, Francemap

Son of Almericus (Tancarville) d'Abitot and [mother unknown]

Brother of Robert (Abitot) d'Abitot le Despenser and Osbert (Abitot) d'Abitot

Husband of Atheliza (Unknown) d'Abitot — married [date unknown] [location unknown]

Father of Roger (Abitot) d'Abitot of Worcester, Emeline (Abitot) de Beauchamp and Unknown (Abitot) de Marmion

Died about 1118 in Worcestershire, Englandmap
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20/06/2015 · Genealogy collaboration for Urse (Abitot) d'Abitot born abt. 1045 St Jean d'Abbetot, ... “Urso de Abtot, ... Osbert d& Abetot, was probably Urse& brother.

Haven't read through it but this seems to be fairly detailed?

http://www.redmarley.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Urso_dAbitot.pdf

according to familysearch - Urse was a girl - daughter of Walter de Beauchamp 1170 and Emeline d'Abetot

Hi all I wonder if anyone can help me with this Medieval mystery .My family line is the Swinburne from Northumberland they took the territorial name of Swinburn in the early 12 th century .The family's forefathers were Pagan De Wirecestre ,Radulf and his father was Ashantinus De Wirecestre who apparently came over with the conquest. Would I be right in thinking that he could be related to Urse De Abetot (Wirecestre)who was Sheriff of Worcester.i have read on think it was John Hodgsons landed gentry that the Swinburnes were related to the Herons ,Radcliffes ,Widdringtons well most of the Northumbrian great families. But the name of Wirecestre keeps coming to Urse ! I would be so grateful if there is any medieval knowledge or links to Ashantinus and Urse . :-S