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Hi Ricochet,

I have tried Irish records, although some are a bit sparse and because this doesn't come into a census period it is very difficult. Also the Scottish connection with the estate she was working on was I thought a very strong one I have concentrated on that. The trouble is when I find a possible there is no way of proving it!! Jean.

Have you not considered that she was Irish .

the name leads one to think she could have been, and unmarried Irish girls often came to England to give birth, then went home to start again

Hi Dea,
Yes I have and they tell me they destroy their records every 7 years. In Scotland there are so many records of Mary Patrick's, I have paperwork galore!! The name seems to crop up in England as well. I have pretty well exhausted those in the Bucks area I think. Thanks, Jean.

Jean,

Have you tried contacting the owners or manager of the estate as some of these places have been known to keep records of their employees and servants etc. for many years ?

Dea x

To Ricochet. I was born in 1938 in Aylesbury, Bucks and my mother was working on an estate as a farm worker. Over the years I have searched in Bucks but also in Scotland as workers on that estate did come down from Scotland. I don't think I am ever going to find conclusive info.

Where and when were you born?

Was she perhaps Irish?

What was her occupation recorded as on your birth cert?

Thanks everyone but I am coming to the conclusion that it isn't the right Mary Patrick. I was adopted as a baby and my mother's name was Mary Patrick so I have researched so many Mary Patrick's over the years without anything positive.

Seems like the Mary with mmn Lowe also died:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1911
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DICKINSON Walton LOWE Margaret Jane Burnley St Alban (St Paul) Preston CE112/5/148


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8 Baron Terrace Burnley, Burnley, Lancashire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Levi Dickinson Head Married Male 49 1862 Gas Stoker Burnley Lancashire
Mary Dickinson Wife Married Female 46 1865 Midwife Burnley Lancashire
Alfred Dickinson Son Single Male 23 1888 Brewery Carter Burnley Lancashire

Walton Dickinson Son Single Male 20 1891 Gas Labour Burnley Lancashire **********
Annie Dickinson Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Cotton Weaver Burnley Lancashire
Levi Dickinson Son Single Male 14 1897 Cotton Weaver Burnley Lancashire
John Dickinson Son - Male 12 1899 Part School Cotton Weaver Burnley Lancashire
Ivy Dickinson Daughter - Female 6 1905 - Burnley Lancashire
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First name(s) Walton
Last name Dickinson
Relationship to household head Son
Marital condition Single
Gender Male
Age 20
Birth year 1891
Occupation Gas Labour
Birth place Burnley Lancashire
Address 8 Baron Terrace Burnley
Parish Burnley
Registration district Burnley
County Lancashire
Country England
Subdistrict West Ward
Enumeration district 7
Census reference RG14
Census reference RG14PN24830 RG78PN1422 RD472 SD2 ED7 SN101
Piece number 24830
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
Collections from Great Britain



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
22 Stanley St Burnley, Burnley, Lancashire, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Samuel Lowe Head Married Male 64 1847 Night Watchman Maccesfieldp Cheshire
Elizabeth Lowe Wife Married Female 57 1854 - Staffordshire
John Lowe Son Married Male 22 1889 Carter Lancs Burnley

Margaret Jane Lowe Daughter Single Female 20 1891 Weaver Lancs Burnley ********
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First name(s) Margaret Jane
Last name Lowe
Relationship to household head Daughter
Marital condition Single
Gender Female
Age 20
Birth year 1891
Occupation Weaver
Birth place Lancs Burnley
Address 22 Stanley St Burnley *******
Parish Burnley
Registration district Burnley
County Lancashire
Country England
Subdistrict East Ward
Enumeration district 13
Census reference RG14
Census reference RG14PN24791 RG78PN1421 RD472 SD1 ED13 SN275
Piece number 24791
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
Collections from Great Britain


Looks like the couple above but unfortunately it looks as though the shild with mmn Lowe also died in 1914.

Burial: 18 May 1914 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Mary Dickinson -
Age: 6 weeks
Abode: 20 Stanley St *************
Grave: A7384
Gender: F
Register: Burials 1914 - 1920, Page 13, Entry 79395
Source: Original Registers Book 11


Dea x

Going back to the area given in the opening post

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Name: Mary E Phillips
Birth Date: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Sep 1963
Age at Death: 48
Registration district: Wycombe
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 404



Looks like Idwal was a postman



Name: Idwal Phillips
Date Appointed: Jun 1952
Place Appointed: High Wycombe



EDIT

Think the above is a different Mary as this is her probate and she was a widow.

Name: Mary Elizabeth Phillips
Probate Date: 25 Sep 1963
Death Date: 16 Jul 1963
Death Place: Buckinghamshire, England
Registry: Oxfordshire, England

if the information from the tree is correct although there are no details of her parents this looks like it could be their marriage.

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
Dickinson William Auckland 10a 423
Heseltine Elizabeth Auckland 10a 423

If you wish to have facts about mary, you should get a copy of one of her marriage certs

How do you connect to her?

you haven't given any reason for asking about her. not that you actually have to, but it can be helpful

as her maiden name was Dickinson, she should be in your tree under that name

No middle initial in either of her marriages Shirley

Is this a possible?
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First name(s) MARY E
Last name PHILLIPS
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1915
Age 48
Death quarter 3
Death year 1963
District WYCOMBE
County Buckinghamshire
Volume 6A
Page 404
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Mary Dickinson mother's maiden name Butler died the following year.

A tree on Ancestry has this as Mary's birth

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
Dickinson Mary Heseltine Auckland 10a 552

and this as her death

Name: Mary Phillips
Birth Date: 10 Nov 1914
Date of Registration: Feb 1993
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Shrewsbury
Inferred County: Shropshire
Register Number: B48A
District and Subdistrict: 7151B
Entry Number: 171

and also the birth of another son in 1939. The MMN has been mistranscribed on FBMD so it doesn't show with the two other births.

As with all trees the information has to be treated with caution.

Looks on FreeBMD Mary and Ernest had two children in the 1930,s

The son married in 1962. Should be on FreeBMD

You really need to know her age

Possible births as she married in burnley

Births Dec 1912
Dickinson Mary Butler Burnley 8e 320


Births Jun 1914
DICKINSON Mary Lowe Burnley 8e 357

Possibly

Deaths Mar 1946
Patrick Ernest 35 Wycombe 3a 1888

Mary couldn't have been born in 1920,s as this is her first marriage

Marriages Jun 1934
Dickinson Mary Patrick Burnley 8e 461

Patrick Ernest Dickinson Burnley 8e 461

Well Mary wasn't born in 1921

Name: Mary Dickinson
Spouse Surname: Patrick, Ernest
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1934
Registration district: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8e
Page Number: 461

Mary married Ernest in 1934 Burnley Registration district so would have been born earlier than 1921.