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I think this is possibly Sarah's death - makes her born c1826/7.
Civil Registration event: Death

Name: SAMUEL, Sarah
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1892
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 65
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 486

Baptism (Find My Past)
Forenames:David
Surname:Samuel
Baptism Year:1834
Baptism Month:Feb
Baptism Day:16
Place:Ystradgynlais
County:Brecknockshire
Fathers Forenames:David (Miner)
Mothers Forenames:Gwenllian
Page:70
Record source:Powys Baptisms - Transcripts
Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

(no Birthdate on image, address, Brynglas)

Chris :)

Stuart, thank you again.
I haven't located David or Sarah in 1901 either, maybe it's a good idea to find out ages when they died aand witnesses etc. :-)

I'm not yet convinced that David & Gwenllian are correct parents. In 1851 their son David was only 17 then! It would make him 19 at marriage to Sarah not 24. Similarly he would have been 14yrs marrying Ann Daniel!

Think I need to come forward in time and sideways to check sibling births if my William David as well as David and Sarah's deaths, before I try to go back further.

Will keep you posted. Diolch :-S

"Yaki da" is about the limit of my Welsh I'm afraid! (Smiley emoticon, but haven't worked out how to get them in the text)

Here's the death I didn't post last night - apologies. Not at all certain about it as haven't tracked him down in 1901 for sure. Your 1891 has them in the Merthyr Tydfil RD. There is a death that would fit Sarah in 1892 aged 65 in the Merthyr RD

Civil Registration event: Death

Name: SAMUEL, David
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1905
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 70
Volume no: 11A
Page no: 417

That 'bring glass' did make me snigger, you're probably right Ann.
I'm signing off for tonight. Great help everyone, thanks again.

that Bring Grass on your posting Stuart :-D I would imagine it's really Brynglas :-D

David's year of birth varied by 3 years through 1861-1881 census. I wonder - if it is the correct David in 1841/1851 whether he had to AGE for a 1853 wedding. Sarah shows as 3 years older than him in 1861 - if he was born 1834, there would have been an 8 year difference??

If this is his death it shows his age as 70 so b 1834/5 - info as known to whoever registered the death

1841 census transcription details for: Bring Grass, Ystradgunlais, Palleg

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1367
Book/Folio: 19/15
Page: 22
Reg. District: Neath
Sub District: Ystradgunlais
Parish: Ystradgunlais
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bring Grass, Ystradgunlais, Palleg
County: Brecknockshire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SAMUEL, David M 35 1806 Miner
SAMUEL, Gwenllian F 35 1806
SAMUEL, Mary F 14 1827
SAMUEL, Margaret F 12 1829
SAMUEL, John M 9 1832 Breconshire
SAMUEL, David M 8 1833 Breconshire
SAMUEL, William M 6 1835 Breconshire
SAMUEL, Thomas M 2 1839 Breconshire

A 75 year old William Samuel lives a couple of doors away

With born 1830 =/- 5 years, found this David Samuel - with parents David and Gwenllian!!

And a ?? possible Rees connection

1851 census transcription details for: Plasycoed, Ystradgunlais

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2464
Folio: 44
Page: 40
Reg. District: Neath
Sub District: Ystradgunlais
Parish: Ystradgunlais
Enum. District: 1B
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Plasycoed, Ystradgunlais
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SAMUEL, David Head Married M 48 1803 Collier Llangristiolus, Carmarthenshire
SAMUEL, Gwenllian Wife Married F 47 1804 Llandebie, Carmarthenshire
SAMUEL, John Son Unmarried M 18 1833 CollierYstradgunlais, Brecknockshire
SAMUEL, David Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Collier Ystradgunlais, Brecknockshire
SAMUEL, William Son Unmarried M 14 1837 CollierYstradgunlais, Brecknockshire
SAMUEL, Thomas Son Unmarried M 12 1839 Scholar Ystradgunlais, Brecknockshire
REES, Catherine Servant Unmarried F 18 1833 House Servant Llandebie, Carmarthenshire

AnnCardiff, thank you for these details and I will check out that site.

have you looked on the free LDS site - www.familysearch.org?

there are 63 Samuel's born in Ystradgynlais

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Name: David Samuel
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Ystradgunlais, Breconshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Neath
Sub-District: 4 Ystradgunlais
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Parish: Ystradgunlais
Residence County: Glamorganshire

Name: William Samuel
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 13 Feb 1836
Christening Place: YSTRADGYNLAIS,BRECON,WALES
Father's Name: David Samuel
Mother's Name: Gwenllian
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C08152-1
System Origin: Wales-ODM
GS Film number: 104500

Name: David Samuel
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 Feb 1834
Christening Place: YSTRADGYNLAIS,BRECON,WALES
Father's Name: David Samuel
Mother's Name: Gwenllian
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C08152-1
System Origin: Wales-ODM
GS Film number: 104500

Stuart
Thank you.
So that would tie in with the two marriages I found for David.
But I'm still not sure how to verify if my David is the son of David & Gwenllian Samuel.

Charles Samuel's birth?
Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: SAMUEL, Charles
Registration district: Neath
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1849
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 26
Page no: 477
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Possible death of ?? his mother Anne
Civil Registration event: Death

Name: SAMUEL, Anne
Registration district: Neath
County: Glamorganshire
Year of registration: 1850
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 26
Page no: 390

Stuart
I saw that and wondered if Charles' mother (David 1st wife) was ill or had died and that Charles was being 'nursed' by family members/friends. Is that what Nursing Son means? One of the David's younger siblings was named Rees - so, which could have been another family name!

Don't know whether this helps or hinders. The only Charles Samuel shown on the 1851 census, but he can't be the Rees' son. Is he grandson, or can anyone make any more sense of his "occupation" ?

1851 census transcription details for: Cwmtwrch, Ystradgunlais

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2464
Folio: 55
Page: 14
Reg. District: Neath
Sub District: Ystradgunlais
Parish: Ystradgunlais
Enum. District: 1C
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Cwmtwrch, Ystradgunlais
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
REES, Evan Head Married M 55 1796 Labourer Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire
REES, Margaret Wife Married F 61 1790 Labourer Wife Ystrad, Brecknockshire
SAMUEL, Charles Son Unmarried M 1 1850 Labourer Nursing Son Ystrad, Brecknockshire

Yes Stuart - that's my family.