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Hi thanks all - very enlightening! Thanks to Flip I have now remembered the Wembley connection from a long ago conversation with one of Ruby's daughters(my great aunt). And yes Flip that is Charles' death - thanks to you all but especially Flip - have now moved forward a few paces! :-)

Ruby & Frederick Griggs were at 6 Watford Road, Wembley and Charles & Elizabeth Bunn were at 6a in 1936 - but I can't find Charles & Elizabeth after this. Until Elizabeth turns up again in 1952.

Was trying to see if they had any other children show up with them once they reached 21.

Elizabeth E Dunn was at 29a Wembly Hill road 1952-54 on the London ERs. At the same address was John J & May R Richardson, but I don't know if they were related to her.

Charles Bunn
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Bunn
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Bunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Irchester, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Irchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Irchester St Katharine
Town: Irchester
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Wellingborough
Sub-registration District: Higham Ferrers
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 201
Piece: 1439
Folio: 163
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bunn 56
Elizabeth Bunn 59
Charles Bunn 23
Frederick Bunn 21
Ada Bunn 20

Charles Bunn
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Brother
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Irchester, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Wembley
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 15 Stanley Parade, Ealing Road, Wembley, Middx
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Boot Repairer
Registration District: Hendon
Registration District Number: 130
Sub-registration District: Harrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household Schedule Number: 34
Piece: 7095
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Pratt Bunn 31
Elizabeth Ellen Bunn 27
Charles Bunn 33
Charles Robert Knight 19

Could this be Charles's death?

Charles Bunn
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Sep 1944
Age at Death: 66
Registration District: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 603

Tom Ward
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Tom Ward
Mother's Name: Emma M. Ward
Gender: Male
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Caxton
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address: Wood Farm
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration District: Caxton
Sub-registration District: Caxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1654
Folio: 53
Page Number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
Tom Ward 38
Emma M. Ward 32
Tom Ward 14
Arthur G. Ward 12
Harry W. Ward 10
Frederick C. Ward 7
Sidney Ward 1

Only their oldest born Clerkenwell, with could confirm this marriage:

Emma Martha Bird
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Age: 18
Spouse Name: Tom Ward
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Nov 1865
Parish: Clerkenwell St James
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Charles Bird
Spouse Father Name: Robert Ward
Register Type: Parish Register

Baptism (Find My Past)
Day:30
Month:Jul
Year:1882
Forenames:Elizabeth Emma
Surname:WARD
Relationship:of
Father forenames:Tom
Fathers occupation:horsekeeper
Mother forenames:Emma
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode:of Caxton
Place:Boxworth
County:Cambridgeshire,England
Record source:Cambridgeshire Baptisms

Chris :)

edits

Day:19
Month:Feb
Year:1843
Forenames:Thom
Surname:WARD
Relationship:son of
Father forenames:Robert
Fathers occupation:lab
Mother forenames:Elizabeth
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode:otp
Place:Boxworth
County:Cambridgeshire,England

Day:12
Month:May
Year:1850
Forenames:Emma Martha
Surname:Bird
Relationship:of
Father forenames:Charles
Fathers occupation:lab
Mother forenames:Sarah
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode:otp
Place:Hauxton
County:Cambridgeshire

1901

Name: Elizabeth Ward
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Tom Ward
Mother's Name: Emma Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Caxton, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Irchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Irchester St Katharine
Town: Irchester
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Registration District: Wellingborough
Sub-registration District: Higham Ferrers
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 259
Piece: 1439
Folio: 168
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Tom Ward 62
Emma Ward 53
Sydney Ward 21
Elizabeth Ward 19
Florence M Ward 15

Oops Flip...just realised and crossed with your edited post :-)

And this is the 1891 census

Name: Elizabeth E Ward
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Ward
Mother's Name: Emma M Ward
Gender: Female
Where born: Caxton
Civil Parish: Stanwick
Ecclesiastical parish: Stanwick
Town: Stanwick
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Registration District: Thrapston
Sub-registration District: Raunds
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1221
Folio: 35
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ward 47
Emma M Ward 42
Harry W Ward 20
Frederick C Ward 17
Sidney Ward 12
Elizabeth E Ward 9
Florance M Ward 5

I didn't post it because it's a bit of an IF!! You really do need that marriage certificate!!!

IF, and you will need cert to verify, the 1911 census is correct - they are on 1881x sorry this should read 1891.

Thomas Ward
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma M Ward
Gender: Male
Where born: Boxworth, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Stanwick
Ecclesiastical parish: Stanwick
Town: Stanwick
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration District: Thrapston
Sub-registration District: Raunds
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1221
Folio: 35
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Ward 47
Emma M Ward 42
Harry W Ward 20
Frederick C Ward 17
Sidney Ward 12
Elizabeth E Ward 9
Florance M Ward 5

You will have found, there is only one Elizabeth Emma born in 1882 (although there are 2 in 1881) - registered Caxton. Think this could be her in 1911 as the marriage to Charles was in Northamptonshire:

Elizabeth Emma Ward
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Caxton, Cambridgeshire
Civil Parish: Irchester
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address: 32 Wollaston Road Irchester Nr Wellingborough Northamptonshire
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Forewomen
Registration District: Wellingborough
Registration District Number: 166
Sub-registration District: Higham Ferrers
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household Schedule Number: 210
Piece: 8543
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Matha Ward 62
Elizabeth Emma Ward 29
Florence Mary Ward 25

As the marriage was Wellingborough

Could this be her birth?

Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
Ward Elizabeth Emma Caxton 3b 479

You need the marriage certificate to see if her father is named

Name: Elizabeth Emma Bunn
Probate Date: 5 Oct 1954
Death Date: 11 Jul 1954
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England

Probate...

Elizabeth Emma of 29 Wembley Hill Road Wembley Middlesex, widow, died 11 July 1954 at the General Hospital Edgeware. Administration to Ruby Elizabeth Mary Griggs £392 5s 9d

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Elizabeth E Bunn
Name: Elizabeth E Bunn
Birth Date: abt 1882
Date of Registration: Sep 1954
Age at Death: 72
Registration District: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 410

so she was born c 1882 and the marriage cert will name her father ,if known

As they married in 1914 then the mmn is on the Birth GRO record .

Look on FreeBMD using the surname combination the same as it shows for Ruby,s birth record

Hello again I have received the birth certificate now-father is Charles Bunn who married Elizabeth E Ward in 1914. I am now stuck as still desperate to find out if Ruby had siblings and unsure how to proceed. Would also like to trace Elizabeth further back but its a very popular name!

Thanks Reggie for the freebmd hint- very useful

Can anyone help me get a bit further?

Only anecdotally - if thats how you spell it and not from a very reliable source

Do you have any evidence to suggest the father is called Charles ?

As with your BRAWN family, you need the birth cert..............