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Hello,

I wonder if anybody could help my g grandfather James William Taylor - who's christening I have found 07 Jul 1889 in Flixton, Urmston (family search) showing his parent as Ann Taylor - I am struggling to get beyond his parents as there is a 1901 census with them in Reddish - Henry Taylor & Ann Taylor showing as parents.

I cant find a birth though for James, the 1901 census I cant make out the age for Henry on viewing the census as on they typed page it says 82! and on the census it looks like 62/52 - I can't find a marriage for Henry and Ann.

Wondered really if anybody could please at least be able to confirm anything?

Thanks in advance
Julie

Hello Julie - who does James William name as his father on his marriage certificate?

Usually, if only a mother is named on a baptism it implies he is illegitimate.

Hi, I am going to have to get the marriage certificate - most of the time you can find information on line but there are times when an actual certificate is needed.

Julie - who did he marry? Where and when? (We might be able to find something)

Hi,

He married Lilly Broughton(birth 1889 Wilmslow) in 1911 Wilmslow, Cheshire.

Thanks
Julie

Hi,

He married Lilly Broughton(birth 1889 Wilmslow) in 1911 Wilmslow, Cheshire.

Thanks
Julie

Hi Julie

His Baptism From Lancashire OPC

Baptisms: 7 Jul 1889 St Clement, Urmston, Lancashire, England
James William Taylor - Son of Ann Taylor
Born: 8 May 1889
Abode: Urmston
Baptised by: E. Harwood Cooke Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1868 - 1906, Page 95, Entry 777
Source: LDS Family Search

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Have you tried this birth ?

June (quarter) 1889
Taylor James William Barton I. 8c 702

(Barton I does include the district Urmston and Flixton

Barbara x

For INFO

1901 England Census about James W Taylor
Name: James W Taylor
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Taylor
Mother's Name: Ann Taylor
Gender: Male
Where born: Urmston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Reddish
Ecclesiastical parish: St Elizabeth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Heaton Norris
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 181
Piece: 3289
Folio: 127
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Taylor 82*********************Image is 52
Ann Taylor 40
James W Taylor 11
Sarah A Taylor 2

Don't rely on the man's marriage cert. Any father he named could have been imaginary

The baptism definitely shows him to have been illegitimate

Have you looked for/found him in 1891?

Thanks Barbara, Reggie it says:

Name: Henry Taylor
Age: 82
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Taylor
Gender: Male
Where born: Hale, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Reddish
Ecclesiastical parish: St Elizabeth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Poss 1891 Census for James Wm Taylor 3160.37.23
6, Moss Road, Urmston, Lancs
Household of James Taylor, Gardener
(Source: FMP)

The confirmation you need...............

1891 England Census

Name: James Wm Taylor
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Martha Taylor
Gender: Male
Where born: Urmston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Urmston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: Urmston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3160
Folio: 37
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
James Taylor 71
Martha Taylor 70
Ann Taylor 29
Martha Taylor 24
James Wm Taylor 1

Well, this matches the christening from 1889:

1891 census transcription details for: 6, Moss Road, Urmston
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3160
Folio: 37
Page: 23
Reg. District: Barton upon Irwell
Sub District: Stretford
Parish: Urmston
Enum. District: 21
Ecclesiastical District: St Clements
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 6, Moss Road, Urmston
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TAYLOR, James Head Married M 71 1820 Gardener
Urmston, Lancashire
TAYLOR, Martha Wife Married F 70 1821
Urmston, Lancashire
TAYLOR, Ann Daughter Single F 29 1862 Charwoman
Urmston, Lancashire
TAYLOR, Martha Daughter Single F 24 1867
Urmston, Lancashire
TAYLOR, James Wm Grandson M 1 1890
Urmston, Lancashire

Ann is marked as single on here.

Dea x

1911 England Census

Name: Sarah Ann Taylor
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Urmston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wilmslow
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Off Manchester Rd Wilmslow
Registration district: Bucklow
Registration District Number: 445
Sub-registration district: Wilmslow
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 21514
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Taylor 63
Ann Taylor 51
Sarah Ann Taylor 12

Thank you guys - it mus have just been coincidence that she married a Taylor? even if she did I suppose as cant find marriage for her and Henry

1871 England Census

Name: Martha Taylor
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Taylor
Gender: Female
Where born: Urmston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Urmston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: Urmston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 3972
Folio: 136
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
James Taylor 51
Martha Taylor 50
Harriet Taylor 21
Thomas Taylor 18
Peter Taylor 15
Ann Taylor 10
Mary Taylor 7
Martha Taylor 5

1911 Census: Henry Taylor states marriage 23 years previous to census. So: 1888.
Of course, may have been 'creative' in that statement!