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I will do thank you, the family says she never knew her father but if it was her cousin then thats a mystery solved !
Thanks again

Looking back over the census records it seems that Fanny Leeming's father is Leonard Leeming born Thorpe Green, Yorkshire c.1843

Albert Leeming's father is Henry Leeming born Thorpe Green, Yorkshire c.1840.

They are brothers who can be seen here in the 1851 census together with their parents:-

1851 census transcription details for: Stripe Houses

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2283
Folio: 322
Page: 5
Reg. District: Knaresborough
Sub District: Whixley
Parish:
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Stripe Houses
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

LEEMING, William Head Married M 63 1788 Agricultural Labourer
Kirby Hill, Yorkshire
LEEMING, Elizabeth Wife Married F 42 1809
Spofforth, Yorkshire
LEEMING, William Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Farmers Serv
Thorpe Green, Yorkshire
LEEMING, Henry Son M 11 1840 Scholar
Thorpe Green, Yorkshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
LEEMING, Leonard Son M 8 1843 Scholar
Thorpe Green, Yorkshire<<<<<<<<<<<<
LEEMING, Sarah Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Thorpe Green, Yorkshire
LEEMING, Ann Daughter F 2 1849
Thorpe Green, Yorkshire


So it looks like Fanny and Albert were cousins. This would not stop them marrying.

If I were you I would definitely get the marriage certificate for Fanny and Albert.

Kath. x

If the marriage of Rose to George Broadbent is definitely the right one then I would be inclined to buy the marriage certificate for Albert Leeming to Fanny Leeming just to see what it says. If Fanny names her father as Leonard then you can be pretty sure it is the right one.

Kath. x

If you look at the marriage for Albert that I posted earlier his surname is Leeming and Fanny's maiden name is also Leeming (perhaps they were relatives of some kind).

Although Albert had died by the time Rose was born Fanny's name was still Leeming and so Rose would be named Leeming anyway even if Albert was not her father.

Kath. x

The fathers name on the marriage cert. Albert, must be a lie!! Because her mums maiden name is Leeming. Bless them, They probably didnt want them to know he business x

Rose's mum was definatley Fanny, and she had her out of wedlock, the family never knew who Rose's father was.
Rose's ashes are in undercliffe cemetery, Bradford as she is with George Broadbent in a war grave.

I know the Broadbents did live down Dallam St years ago

You can rule out the 1915 marriage for Fanny, she is 26, and father wrong in the parish record.

EDIT - no ignor this remark, was an earlier marriage I looked at sorry!

But the marriage to Albert is a possibility, as is the death and census.

Possible second marriage for Fanny:-


Name: LEEMING, Fanny
Registration district: Bradford
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1915
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Parkinson
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 428

Name: PARKINSON, James
Registration district: Bradford
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1915
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Leeming
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 428

and possible death:-

Name: PARKINSON, Fanny
Registration district: Bradford
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1949
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 82
Volume no: 2B
Page no: 214

Kath. x

There is this possible death for Albert:-


Name: LEEMING, Albert
Registration district: Bramley
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1895
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 27
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 277
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On the 1911 census Fanny is recorded as a widow:-

1911 census transcription details for: 11 Dallam St Bradford

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN26731 RG78PN1540 RD498 SD2 ED12 SN180
Reg. District: Bradford
Sub District: Bradford Central
Parish: Bradford
Enum. District: 12

Address: 11 Dallam St Bradford
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

HUDSON, Elizabeth Ellen Head Widow F 58 1853 School Close Leeds Yorks
HUDSON, Fred Son Single M 27 1884 Iron Planer Woodbottom Baliton Yorks
HUDSON, Annie Eden Daughter Single F 17 1894 Assistant Bookbinder Woodbottom Baliton Yorks
LEEMING, Fanny Boarder Widow F 44 1867 Millhand Twister Burmantofts Leeds Yorks<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
MOORHOUSE, Sarah Ann Boarder Single F 20 1891 Millhand Twister Bradford Yorks

Kath. x

Only thing is Kath, Fanny is recorded as single on 1901 census?

Dawn, do you have Rose's birth certificate to confirm Fanny is her mother?

I wonder if this is Rose's parent's marriage:-


Name: LEEMING, Albert
Registration district: Bramley
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1893
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 390

MarriageFinder: Albert Leeming married one of the following people:

HEAVYSIDE, Annie
LEEMING, Fanny<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
HORNER, Robert

Kath. x

If this is Rose's marriage, she names a father?

Rose Leeming
Birth Year: abt 1897
Age: 20
Marriage or Bann Date: 22 Dec 1917
Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral)
Father's Name: Albert Leeming <<Deceased, mechanic (fitter)
Spouse's Name: George Broadbent
Spouse's Father's Name: George Broadbent

Her address 11 Oxford Rd, his 187 Garnett St, both Bradford. Witnesses Elsie Broadbent & Zacchias?? J Shaw

The 1911 census has been mis-transcribed, on the image it could be taken as Leeming or Luming because of the writing.

No sign of German ancestry on the earlier census Kath has posted.

Thanks for everyones help x

Looking at the image I think the name has just been mistranscribed. The image definitely says Leeming and on Findmypast it is transcribed as Leeming. The name is Leeming on all census records back to 1841.

Kath. x

Is Luming a mis spelt name on the census, or could that be the other name I thought was Lehman. I have been told that the Leemings were German and changed there name ?

Leonard's parents in the 1841 census (the name is still Leeming back then):-

1841 census transcription details for: Thorp Hill, Ouseburn, Little, Thorpe Underwoods

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1286
Book/Folio: 3/9
Page: 4
Reg. District: Knaresborough
Sub District: Whixley
Parish: Ouseburn, Little
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Thorp Hill, Ouseburn, Little, Thorpe Underwoods
County: Yorkshire

Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

LEEMING, William M 50 1791 Yorkshire
LEEMING, Elizabeth F 30 1811 Yorkshire
LEEMING, William M 9 1832 Yorkshire
LEEMING, Jane F 5 1836 Yorkshire
LEEMING, James M 3 1838 Yorkshire
LEEMING, Henry M 1 1840 Yorkshire
DICKINSON, Mary F 11 1830 Yorkshire
HILL, Mary F 0 (10 months) 1841 Yorkshire

Kath. x

This looks like Leonard in the 1851 census with his parents:-

1851 census transcription details for: Stripe Houses

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2283
Folio: 322
Page: 5
Reg. District: Knaresborough
Sub District: Whixley
Parish:
Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Stripe Houses
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

LEEMING, William Head Married M 63 1788 Agricultural Labourer
Kirby Hill, Yorkshire
LEEMING, Elizabeth Wife Married F 42 1809
Spofforth, Yorkshire
LEEMING, William Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Farmers Serv
Thorpe Green, Yorkshire
LEEMING, Henry Son M 11 1840 Scholar
Thorpe Green, Yorkshire
LEEMING, Leonard Son M 8 1843 Scholar
Thorpe Green, Yorkshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
LEEMING, Sarah Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Thorpe Green, Yorkshire
LEEMING, Ann Daughter F 2 1849
Thorpe Green, Yorkshire

Kath. x

Mistranscribed 1911 - Rose is still with grandparents, but no sign of Fanny:

Leonard Luming
[Leonard Leeming]
Age in 1911: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Thorp Green, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Bradford
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 18 Peel Park Terrace Undercliffe Bradford Yorkshire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Gateman
Registration district: Bradford
Registration District Number: 498
Sub-registration district: Bradford Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 26731
Household Members: Name Age
Leonard Luming 68
Maryann Luming 71
Charles William Luming 39
Mary Jane Luming 32
Rose Luming 14
Perscilla Luming 3/12

Married 49 years, 13 children 3 have died

This is the reference for the marriage certificate:-


Name: LEEMING, Leonard
Registration district: Tadcaster
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1862
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 9C
Page no: 676

MarriageFinder: Leonard Leeming married one of the following people:

CAMPBELL, Mary Ann<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
SCOTT, Martha
TEAL, Joseph

You can order from the GRO online here:-

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Certificates cost £9.25p

Click "yes" when the online form asks if the full GRO reference is known/

Kath. x