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Hello. I am new to the site, so hoping I am writing this correctly for everyone. I am trying to find the marriage of my G. Grandfather's parents. Thomas Henry Green (G Grandfather, b. 20/10/1885, 193 Great Bridge Street, West Bromwich), I have his Birth Certificate - on it his mother is listed as "Elizabeth Green, formally Strathern". I have found some 'Strathern' in Glasgow; and I know his father is Thomas Green (born c 1848 in Wolverhampton). I cannot however find a marriage between Thomas Green and Elizabeth Strathern; and therefore am really unsure that the Glasgow census returns for Elizabeth Strathern are the correct ones (need her fathers name). On Census, Elizabeth's birth place are listed as follows: 1881: Scotland, 1891: Portabello, Ireland & 1901: Glasgow, Scotland. So I am confused and would love someone to be able to tell me where I am going wrong, and I do understand that they may never have been married. :)

Welcome to the boards. Your query is perfect - might be nice to have a name for you though!
Have you located his father 1881?
Jan

Right, I am guessing?


1881 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Green
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Green
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: West Bromwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 158 Great Bridge Street (King William Fourth)
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Housewife

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West

Thomas Green 33
Elizabeth Green 33
Arthur Green 2
Marian Green
Mary Ann Lloyd 20
Florence Clark 13
Eliza Ann Hancox 21

Hello Jan. I am glad I got that right. Sorry, I am Sara. Yes, They are in West Bromwich in 1881, his father is listed as a 'Licensed Victualler' Great Bridge Street - King William Fourth....

Point taken, I see her birthplace is Ireland in 1891. How likely is it Thomas would have travelled to either place do you think?
Jan

yepp. That's them :)

Ooooo. Unknown I am afraid.

Is this one you had your eye on - in view of Ireland/Scotland combination?
Can I ask if you have found Thomas in 1871?


1871 Scotland Census
Name: Elizabeth Strathern
[Elizabeth Stratkeran]
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: John Stratkeran
Mother's name: Mary Strathern
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration number: 644/1
Registration district: Central District
Civil parish: Glasgow Inner High
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 77
Occupation: Fishing Liner Maker

John Stratkeran 54
Mary Strathern 54
Elizabeth Strathern 23
John Strathern 14
John Hall 42
Robert Watson 35

I have been into 'Scotland's People' but drew nothing further there...so the only link to Scotland and Ireland I have are the census...

I have been into 'Scotland's People' but drew nothing further there...so the only link to Scotland and Ireland I have are the census...

Yes, and one or two to either side, it seems right as Mary is born in Ireland too......???

Not sure about Thomas in 1871, there is a single man - Boarder (West Brom I think).... but again wasn't sure and to be honest focussed on the marriage I can't find) and Elizabeth in Scotland....

When you looked on Scotlandspeople did you select "surname variants". The most common spelling would probably be Strathearn.

Other points to note would be that the Scottish naming pattern would indicate that Elizabeth would name her first daughter for her mother. So possible that her mothers name was MARION. Also in Scotland Elizabeth / Elisabeth is sometimes interchangeable with Isabella.

Oh goodness. Ok, I didn't know that. Thank-You. I will consider that when I next get to dive into everything. Cheers Rootgatherer, and you too Brummiejan. I have to go to bed now, have to get up and get to work tomorrow, rent to earn and all that.