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Hi Ann, I have been studying all your posts in detail and the evidence is most compelling. Please could you tell me the source. I believe that my neighbour, whose family I am researching needs to get a birth certificate for one of the children to confirm Ann Gray nee Nicholson, which I have also found in FreeBMD

Thanks so much for your input

Thank you Marie Celeste, AnnCardiff and safc, you have been busy. I have to admit to sitting in a warm room watching TV while you were so active. It seems like the marriage I picked was the wrong partners as my Hannah I think is :-

name: Hannah Gray
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 21 Sep 1856
baptism/christening place: TANFIELD,DURHAM,ENGLAND
birth date: 25 Aug 1856

father's name: John Gray
:
mother's name: Ann


and this ties in with the 1861 census I was given.

Search Results From Marriages 1841 to 1850
Details of your chosen Marriage certificate (including spouse) are as follows:

Surname Forename(s) Year District
92% VASEY Isabella 1844 Durham Western
92% GRAY John 1844 Durham Western


Marriages Mar 1844 (>99%)
ALDERSON Cuthbert Auckland 24 17
GRAY John Auckland 24 17 xxxxxx
SMITH Ann Auckland 24 17
VASEY Isabella Auckland 24 17 xxxxx


http://nd.durham.gov.uk/gro/newgro.nsf/search?open&C0807400051105112012$

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name: John /GRAY/ [1]
gender: Male
birth: 1822
England


Submission
submitter: chuntsman1088532
submission date: 30 Jun 2008
submission id: MM3G-2CN
person count: 36

Notes
¦John was a Master Blacksmith according to his sons Marriage Certificate in 1862.

Sources
1.Marriage Certificate from England General Register Office

name: William GRAY
gender: Male
birth: 1744

AFN: MJR3-P5

Marriages (1)
spouse: Sarah DAWSON (AFN: MJR3-QB )
marriage: 18 July 1762
Kirkland, Near Penrith, Cumberland, England
Hide children (2)

child 1: Joseph GRAY (AFN: MJR3-RH )
gender: Male
CHRISTENING 28 June 1770
Kirkland, Near Penrith, Cumberland, England

child 2: William GRAY (AFN: MJR3-SN )
gender: Male
CHRISTENING 3 June 1773
Kirkland, Near Penrith, Cumberland, England

name: Joseph GRAY
gender: Male
christening: 28 June 1770
Kirkland, Near Penrith, Cumberland, England
AFN: MJR3-RH

Parents
father: William GRAY (AFN: MJR3-P5 )
mother: Sarah DAWSON (AFN: MJR3-QB )

Marriages (1)
spouse: Margaret DIXON (AFN: MJR3-LM )
marriage: 28 May 1792
Kirkland, Near Penrith, Cumberland, England
Hide children (2)

child 1: Joseph GRAY (AFN: MJR3-N0 )
gender: Male
CHRISTENING 28 August 1795
Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England

child 2: Thomas GRAY (AFN: MJR3-MS )
gender: Male
CHRISTENING 6 January 1794
Kirkland, Near Penrith, Cumberland, England

name: Joseph GRAY
gender: Male
christening: 28 August 1795
Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England
AFN: MJR3-N0

Parents
father: Joseph GRAY (AFN: MJR3-RH )
mother: Margaret DIXON (AFN: MJR3-LM )

Marriages (1)
spouse: Hannah ARMSON (AFN: MJR3-H4 )
marriage: 5 February 1820
Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England
Hide children (2)

child 1: John GRAY (AFN: B695-0C )
gender: Male
BIRTH Keswick, Cumberland, England
CHRISTENING 29 September 1822
Penrith, Cumberland, England
DEATH from 1865 to 1871
Tanfield, Durham, England

child 2: William GRAY (AFN: MJR3-J9 )
gender: Male
CHRISTENING 9 January 1825
Renwick, Cumberland, England

name: John GRAY
gender: Male
birth: Keswick, Cumberland, England
christening: 29 September 1822
Penrith, Cumberland, England
death: from 1865 to 1871
Tanfield, Durham, England
AFN: B695-0C

Parents
father: Joseph GRAY (AFN: MJR3-N0 )
mother: Hannah ARMSON (AFN: MJR3-H4 )

Marriages (1)
spouse: Ann NICHOLSON (AFN: B695-1J )
marriage: 13 November 1843
Gateshead, Durham, England
Hide children (9)

child 1: Joseph GRAY (AFN: B695-57 )
gender: Male
BIRTH 26 March 1848
Tanfield, Durham, England

child 2: Hannah GRAY (AFN: B695-J4 )
gender: Female
BIRTH 21 September 1856
Tanfield, Durham, England

child 3: Anne GRAY (AFN: B695-MM )
gender: Female
BIRTH 29 August 1858
Tanfield, Durham, England

child 4: John GRAY ; JR (AFN: B695-DF )
gender: Male
BIRTH 17 November 1850
Tanfield, Durham, England

child 5: Elizabeth GRAY (AFN: B695-Q5 )
gender: Female
BIRTH 24 December 1864
Tanfield, Durham, England

child 6: William GRAY (AFN: B695-GR )
gender: Male
BIRTH 17 October 1852
Tanfield, Durham, England

child 7: James GRAY (AFN: B695-HX )
gender: Male
BIRTH 27 June 1854
Tanfield, Durham, England

child 8: Mary GRAY (AFN: B695-NS )
gender: Female
BIRTH 2 June 1861
Tanfield, Durham, England

child 9: Robert GRAY (AFN: 2WJV-9P )
gender: Male
BIRTH 3 April 1845
Kip Hill, Tanfield, Durham, England
DEATH 3 November 1915
Durham, England

John Gray
England and Wales Census, 1861
birth: 1823 West Moor,? Cumberland
census: 1861 Tanfield,? Durham,? England


name: John Gray
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 38
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: West Moor, Cumberland
record type: Household
registration district: Durham
sub-district: 1 Tanfield
civil parish: Tanfield
county: Durham

Frances, I strongly suspect that Ann Gray's (nee Smith) birthplace on that census you posted would be Byker, it's covered by All Saints. It certainly looks like it on the original image of the census.

Thank you Choccy for coming to my rescue, these details look much more hopeful and I can settle down to hours? in Family Search ! It seems to be so much slower since the changes to IGI

1851 census


RG number: HO107
Piece: 2389
Folio: 85
Page: 34
Reg. District: Durham
Sub District: Tanfield
Parish: Tanfield
Enum. District: 1D
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Stanley Cottages, Tanfield
County: Durham


GREY, John Head Married M 28 1823 Coke Burner
Renwick, Cumberland
GREY, Ann Wife Married F 28 1823
Newcastle on Tyne All Saints
GREY, Robert Son M 5 1846 Scholar At Home
Tanfield, Durham
GREY, Joseph Son M 3 1848
Tanfield, Durham
GREY, John Son M 0 (5 MOS) 1851
Tanfield, Durham
SMITH, George Lodger Unmarried M 28 1823 Coal Miner
Scotland

I have :-

Marriages Mar 1844
GRAY John Auckland
24 17

SMITH Ann Auckland
24 17

who I think are the parents of Hannah Gray 1856 Tanfield

The census I was given is more detailed than usual but taking out the extra it gives :-

John Gray Estimated Year of Birth 1823 Birth Place West Moor Cumberland
Ann Gray Estimated Year of Birth 1823 Birth Place Byton Northumberland
Robert Gray 1845 Shield Low Durham
Joseph Gray 1848 Shield Low Durham
John Gray 1851 West Stanley Durham
William Gray 1853 West Stanley Durham
James Gray 1855 Annfield Plain Durham
Hannah Gray 1857 West Stanley Durham
Ann Gray 1859 West Stanley Durham

I am trying to find the births of the parents in 1823 but their places of birth given in 1861 seem unreal. I have tried to find them in 1881 with the hope that their birth places might be nore understandable but, so far, without success. Can anybody see the family with better decriptions of their birth places please?

Many thanks.
Frances