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Thank you for your help,the mind boggles thanks again.

Doubt we will ever know!!

I did look to see if there was anything such as a court case but think it was probably just a small thing and it looked like a small place as there were only a four people in there at the time. Most of the census was the family of the police constable. What I find strange is that there is no address on this census, at the bottom of the page.

It is classed as and Institution.

I Wonder what the pair had been up to .

Thats what I wondered and why I put it up when I saw the surname.

HI
I wonder if this margaret marples the charewomen was a sister of john marples who was married once to emma baines?

Looking at the original 1911 form it appears to have been filled out by Fred. Either, as Mel says, he was in temporary custody or someone else filled out the form as him.

Would this be your Fred??

West Yorkshire, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985
about Frederick Hiley
Name: Frederick Hiley
Birth Year: abt 1877
Parish: Pontefract, St Giles and St Mary
Burial Date: 11 Dec 1915
Burial Age: 38

There is also a Margret Marples in prison the same time as Fred. She is single aged 35 a charwoman. Perhaps he only spent a little while in prison and Emma filled the form out.

HI Again
on 1911 census fred hiley born 1877 outibridge a flower seller married and a prisoner.
also 1911 census fred hiley born 1877 outibridge flower celler and married to emma
how can fred hiley be on two different census,i thought you had to be in that property on the night the census was done,can any one help answer for me as im a bit confussed thanks
janette.

Deaths Sep 1910 (>99%)
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Hiley John _ 1 Sheffield 9c 346



Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
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HILEY James 0 Sheffield 9c 353

Possible first marriage for Emma, but you would need to the marriage certificate to Fred to confirm her as a widow


Marriages Dec 1892
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Baines Emma Sheffield 9c 731
LOCKWOOD Emily Jane Sheffield 9c 731
Marples John Henry Sheffield 9c 731
SMITH Frederick Sheffield 9c 731



Deaths Dec 1897
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Marples John Henry 29 Sheffield 9c 313





Births Sep 1911
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Hiley Nelly Baines Sheffield 9c 1123



Births Sep 1913
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Hiley Gertrude Baines Sheffield 9c 1170

The two Marples children must be Emmas' children from before she married Fred.

Fred and Emma then went on to have Janey, Fred and Mary Alice. They must also have had another child who has died..

If you buy the marriage certificate it should tell you whether Emma was a spinster or a widow when she married Fred.

Kath. x

thankyou andrew for your help.

Marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
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HILEY Frederick Ecclesall B. 9c 453
MARPLES Emma Ecclesall B. 9c 453


As you say, Fred and Emma married after Annie and Herbert were born, so Fred is Stepfather to them. The birth certs for the children might give the father

Andy

1901

1901 England Census
about Fred Hiley
Name: Fred Hiley
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Oughtibridge, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Nether Hallam
Ecclesiastical parish: Walkley St Mary
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Piece: 4344
Folio: 56
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Robinson 29
Mary Ellen Robinson 7
John Henry Robinson 5
Fred Hiley 24
Annie E Marples 9
Herbert Marples 2
Emma Hiley 28




Andy

Hi,
can you help please.
on 1911 census living at 89 broad street sheffield.
fred hiley born 1877 flower seller his wife is emma.they had 4 children but only 3 living on the census it says they have annie lizzie marples born 1893 and herbert marples born 1899 step children living with them.fred and emma have been married
for 10 years so they married 1901 when i looked on free bmd i can find a marriage for fred hilery and a emma marples and also a emma harvey. would it be that fred married emma marples after the two marples were born but took the mothers name but if he was the father why would they be step children,please help.
thanks janette