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Thanks Malcom, But read all threads , You will see what i mean.... Regards Billy

Scottish death certs are extremely useful as they usually show all marriage partners, parents and a witness, usually a son or daughter.

Thats what i was thinking vera....Anyway, The info given by you and others on here has helped me obtain certs needed to solve this puzzle which is greatly appricated, Its my thoughts now that the Gillespie connection with the Beveridges is that Williams middle name Gillespie is that of his birth father ,,,,,,,,Regards Billy

Names are sometimes made up for certificates, just to make it look good.
Regards Vera

Thanks for that info Vera now have a middle name for him, checked marriage cert for Elspith, date shows 11th Nov 1872,So william could have been born before she married Matthew,But in still puzzled about birth parents names on williams marriage cert, Regards,......billy

William was born William Gillespie Beveridge mother Elspit Beveridge 1872 Illegitimate.... no father named.

Regards Vera

All info i have recieved seems to match up, which is much appriciated, But im still having problems putting it all together , Reason is, making the connection with William Gillespie, Who shows on 1891 census living with Matthew/ Elspith Rutherford as stepson, I searched again on scotlands people and found marriage cert for William Gillespie / Janet Mckinly 1896,Williams, age 23 Address 2 stable row which ties with my original thread, But marriage cert shows William Gillespie deceased as father, With Elspith Gillespie (Beveridge) as mother , Regards .....Billy

Thanks safc , much appriciated.

Thanks for that info, Vera and detective, I checked 1861 census records and shows Mathias Coates Rutherford place of birth Port Seaton, So looks like he used the name Mathew, certainly looks like him........regards Billy

groom's name: Mathew Rutherford
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Elspith Beveridge
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 11 Nov 1872
marriage place: Dunfermline,Fife,Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
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bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11424-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
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Have found them on the 1901 census....no children. ( If the ones in 1891 are correct)
With the step son as a William Gillespie looks like it might be right.

Regards Vera

As Dunfermline is in Fife, Scotland, have you looked on Scotlandspeople for a death or any other records for him/them?

There are a couple of results about this family on a google search, where unfortunatley the link appears to be broken, or possibly the page has been removed.

Robert Milne – - webtrees
www.james-renshaw.me.uk/individual.php?pid=I5977&ged...
10+ items – webtrees. Genealogy from [The Renshaw Family Tree] ...
Birth of a sister about 1872 Christine sister
Death of a mother June 2, 1912 Margaret mother

Isabella Milne 1875– - webtrees
www.james-renshaw.me.uk/individual.php?pid=I6005&ged...
Death of a mother, June 2, 1912 ?(Age 37)?. Stable Row, Townhill, Dunfermline, Fife. Margaret Whitehill - mother. Death of a paternal grandfather, before 1915 .

A number of public trees on Ancestry have his birth as August 15 1855

1891
Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
RUTHERFORD, Matthew Head Married M 35 1856 Coal Miner
Port Seaton, East Lothian N/A
RUTHERFORD, Elspeth Wife Married F 38 1853
Dunfermline, Fife N/A
GILLESPIE, William Step Son Unmarried M 18 1873 Coal Miner
Dunfermline, Fife N/A


1 1872 RUTHERFORD MATTHEW BEVERIDGE ELSPITH DUNFERMLINE LANDWARD /FIFE 424/02 0058


Regards Vera

Hi, Im trying to find out info about Mathias, Iknow he was born 1855 tranent to George/Euphemia Rutherford , He shows on the 1881 census living at 2 Stable Row Townhill Dunfermline with Elizabeth Beveridge who might have been married to William Gillespie before living with Mathias, After 1881 i cant find anything else about him, Did he marry Elizabeth ? Did they have children together ? Any info would be much appricated .......Billy