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My Grandad Arthur Parker born 1892 Meriden Workhouse mother Ellen Parker nee Harris no father
Died 1967 Pershorre worcestershire. Have found him in 1901 and his wedding in 1917 in Nuneaton

But can not find hime between 1901 and 1917
Any Suggestions

Well he would have been on age to be serving in WW1 What was his occ on the marriage cert. that may give you some info .

1901 for ref.

Is William his brother?

Ellen here does not appear to be his mother

1901 England Census
about Arthur Parker
Name: Arthur Parker
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Gender: Male
Where born: Meriden, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Fillongley
Ecclesiastical parish: Fillongley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 2895
Folio: 9
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
John Barrs 56
Ellen Barrs 50
Dorothy Barrs 8
William Parker 11
Arthur Parker 9




Andy

Possible for 1911?

Yardley is only a few miles from Meriden

1911 England Census
about Arthur Parker
Name: Arthur Parker
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Yardley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: Sea Hall Farm Yardley
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Farm Labourer Agriculteral
Registration district: Solihull
Registration District Number: 392
Sub-registration district: Solihull
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 18651
Household Members: Name Age
John J Brasenell 39
Emily H Brasenell 40
Henry Brasenell 17
Florence Brasenell 12
Eva Brasenell 9
>>>>Arthur Parker 18
Eillen Screvener 18


Andy

Do you have an occupation for him Bryan? Bit of a long shot but it's possible to search 1911 census using this.
Jan

Bryan, I think it may be your tree on Ancestry that has a scan of Arthur's birth certificate attached (b 5 July 1892).

The mothers name says Ellen Parker formerly Harris xxx Allerley - I can't make out what the xxx says - is it and or of?

I know you have this as his parent's marriage so I'm putting it here for us to work from:

Warwickshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1910

Name: George Parker - a carter
Birth Year: abt 1852
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Ellen Harris
Spouse Age: 24
Marriage or Bann Date: 15 May 1877
Event Type: Marriage
Parish: Allesley
Father Name: William Parker
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Harris

1881 England Census
about Ellen Parker
Name: Ellen Parker
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Parker
Gender: Female
Where born: Corley, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Allesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: Watery Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3054
Folio: 78
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
George Parker 28
Ellen Parker 28
Elizabeth Parker 3
Alice Parker




Andy

To trace mother Ellen through the census.

Widow in 1891

1891 England Census
about Ellen Parker
Name: Ellen Parker
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Corley Moor, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Allesley
Ecclesiastical parish: Allesley
Town: Allesley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2441
Folio: 96
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Parker 34
Alice Parker 10
Sarah Parker 7
Willie Parker 2

and

1901 England Census
about Ellen Parker
Name: Ellen Parker
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Corley, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Meriden
Ecclesiastical parish: Meriden
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 2896
Folio: 51
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick G Higginson 30
Sarah A Higginson 28
Fredk Geo Higginson 11
Annie E Higginson 8
Louisa Higginson 6
Laura Higginson 4
Arthur Higginson 2
George Higginson 5 Months
>>>Ellen Parker 42
Elizabeth Armil 63

1911

1911 England Census
about Ellen Parker
Name: Ellen Parker
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Sergeant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Corley, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Meriden
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: Croxall House Meriden
Occupation: Housekeeper
Registration district: Meriden
Registration District Number: 386
Sub-registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 18412
Household Members: Name Age
Edith Harriett Kittermaster 88
Ellen Parker 49










Andy

Not sure if relevant!

1891 England Census
Name: Ellen Parker
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Corley Moor, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Allesley
Ecclesiastical parish: Allesley
Town: Allesley
County/Island: Warwickshire

Registration district: Meriden
Sub-registration district: Meriden

Ellen Parker 34
Alice Parker 10
Sarah Parker 7
Willie Parker 2

1891 to track the family:

PARKER, Ellen Head Widow F 34 1857 General Servant Corley, Warwickshire, Moor
PARKER, Alice Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar Corley, Warwickshire, Moor
PARKER, Sarah Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar Corley, Warwickshire
PARKER, Willie Son M 2 1889 Corley, Warwickshire, Moor

Piece: 2441 Folio: 96 Page: 6
Registration District: Meriden
Civil Parish: Allesley

Address: Watery Lane, Allesley County: Warwickshire

Note that the image of the 1901 Census says that William Parker is a Boarder.

There is a line under that Boarder for Arthur .............. which I take to mean that he was also a Boarder.


Household Members: Name Age
John Barrs 56
Ellen Barrs 50
Dorothy Barrs 8
William Parker 11 b.ca 1890, Allesley, Warwickshire, Boarder, Scholar
Arthur Parker 9 b.ca 1892, Meridiend, Warwickshire ?Boarder, Scholar




sylvia

I think Arthur's birth certificate says for mother


Ellen Parker formerly Harris OF Allesley

I don't think Ellen Barrs is mother of Arthur, because of this marriage


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
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Barrs John Meriden 6d 527
Whitehead Ellen Meriden 6d 527


Andy

Ellen Barrs is NOT Arthur or William's mother ........ they are just Boarders with the family.


Presumably while mother Ellen Parker is working.

Many thanks for the information. Arthur was a general labourer most of his life. I can not find him in ww1 records.
His mother was Ellen Parker nee Harris . No father on birth cert but have different names on first marriage and second marriage certs Joseph and George.
His brother was indeed William and Arthur was living with him at the time of his first wedding in 1917

If his father wasn't named on the birth cert, any subsequent info about him is obviously suspect

Bryan

If a woman is married, her husband is automatically assumed to be the father of any children that she has .................... even if he has been dead for some time, or no longer living with her.

The longest time lag that I have seen between the death of a husband and a child born with him noted as father was .................. 10 years. Yes, TEN YEARS!!!


Ellen did declare herself to be a married woman on Arthur's birth certificate, thus for no father to be noted on it means that his mother also declared to the Registrar that her "husband" was not the father.


The only possible ways in which you might find the name of the father are:---

1) someone in the family who knew, and wrote it down

2) a notation in a family bible

3) if Arthur was baptised, vicars sometimes made a note in the margin of the parish register as to the name of the putative father.




sylvia