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Oh Christina

I think you have cracked it !!!

Here I was burning the midnight oil and getting nowhere as I had found that indeed this was the marriage..............
5 Apr 1885 St John Derby Thomas mar Thirza Wheatcroft. Wit German Whysall, Fanny Whysall (parish reg).
I know that German & Fanny were the brother & sister in law.

All I could find was that m. to Fenn.

That was great detection by you

Thankyou so much, I can now go to bed happy and will look at it all again tomorrow. :-D

Even though her name was Mack, she seems to have been entered onto the index under the name Wheatcroft.......

Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%)
Bode William Derby 7b 780
Walker Sarah Ann Derby 7b 780
>>>>>WHEATCROFT Thirza Derby 7b 780
>>>>>Whysall Thomas Derby 7b 780



The above is not the Thirza Wheatcroft born in Repton as she married in 1890....

Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
BARNETT Charles Burton 6b 658
>>>>>.FENN George Herbert Burton 6b 658
Haynes Sarah Ann Burton 6b 658
Owen Lucy Florence Stoke D. 6b 658
>>>>>Wheatcroft Thirza Burton 6b 658



If this is her parent's marriage, then I wonder if she used her mother's maiden name as a middle name and that's where the confusion arose when her name was copied up onto the index?........

Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
BARNES Emma Bakewell 7b 1080
>>>>>MACK John Bakewell 7b 1080
SLATER William Fox Bakewell 7b 1080
>>>>>Wheatcroft Elizabeth Bakewell 7b 1080



She is listed as Thirza W Mack in the 1881 census, although she is just Thirza on the birth index...

Births Mar 1868 (>99%)
MACK Thirzs Bakewell 7b 594

Many thanks to you all for the help, looks like the wife I am seeking is Thirza Mack b.1868 Matlock.

You all always come up with the goods

Thanks again

Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)
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WHYSALL Thomas 41 Derby 7b 311

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Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
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ALLSOP Frank Derby 7b 1217
WHYSALL Thir__ Derby 7b 1217



1911

RG14PN21179 RD439 SD1 ED7 SN10
Reg. District: Bakewell
Sub District: Bakewell
Parish: Hassop
Enum. District: 7
Address: Home Farm Hassop
County: Derbyshire

ALLSOP, Frank Head Married M 34 1877 Farmer Derby Parish Bassington
ALLSOP, Thirza Wife Married
3 years F 43 1868 Assisting In The Business Derby Parish Matlock

Thanks for the help so far it's trying to pick which Thirza Thomas married.
if Thirza Mack b.1868 Matlock
if Thirza Wheatcroft 1864 Repton Derbys. (between Derby and Burton)

All I know is he was b.1862 Ripley and in 1881 was a Boiler Smith.

Can't find a Thirza Whysall born 1863.

1891

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
WHYSALL, Thomas Head Married M 28 1863 Revetter Iron Works
Ripley, Derbyshire
WHYSALL, Thurza Wife Married F 23 1868
Matlock Bath, Derbyshire
WHYSALL, Thomas Son M 5 1886 Scholar
Derby
Piece: 2737
Folio: 64
Page: 6
Registration District: Derby
Civil Parish: St Alkmund
Municipal Borough: Derby
Address: 33, St Helens Street, St Alkmund, Derby
County: Derbyshire

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%)
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Bode William Derby 7b 780
Walker Sarah Ann Derby 7b 780
WHEATCROFT Thirza Derby 7b 780
Whysall Thomas Derby 7b 780

1891 England Census
Name: Thirza Whysall
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Whysall
Gender: Female
Where born: Matlock Bath, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: St Alkmund
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alkmund
Town: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address:....33 St Helen's St.


Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 71
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2737
Folio: 64
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Whysall 28......Rivetter (Ironworker).....Ripley, Derbyshire
Thirza Whysall 23
Thomas Whysall 5.....Derby

This is the only one on 1911

WHYSALL, Henry Head Married M 46 1865 Blacksmith's Striker Derby Boro
WHYSALL, Clara Wife Married20 years F 38 1873 Derby Boro
WHYSALL, Tabitha Daughter Single F 18 1893 Machinist Hosieryseamless Derby Boro
WHYSALL, Henry Son M 16 1895 Colour Mixer Derby Boro
WHYSALL, Winifred Daughter F 11 1900 Derby Boro
WHYSALL, Thirza Daughter F 10 1901 Derby Boro
WHYSALL, William Son M 8 1903 Derby Boro
WHYSALL, John Son M 2 1909 Derby Boro
RG number: RG14
Piece: 20930
Reference: RG14PN20930 RG78PN1247B RD435 SD2 ED59 SN53
Registration District: Derby
Sub District: Derby
Enumeration District: 59
Parish: Derby
Address: 93 Old Chester Road Derby
County: Derbyshire

1901 census


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
WHYSALL, Thomas Head Married M 38 1863 Boiler Maker Midland Railway
Derby, Derbyshire
WHYSALL, Thirza Wife Married F 33 1868
Derby, Derbyshire
WHYSALL, Thomas G H Son Single M 15 1886
Derby, Derbyshire
WHYSALL, Thomas Father Widower M 65 1836 Iron Moulder Brittania Iron Works
Derby, Derbyshire
Piece: 3221
Folio: 21
Page: 34
Registration District: Derby
Civil Parish: Derby
Municipal Borough:
Address: 13, Fowler Street, Derby
County: Derbyshire


The only other Thirza Whysall on 1901 is aged 0

Can't find on Genes or 1901, looks like only on Ancestry.

Looking for household detail for two Thirza Whysall, one born 1863 the other 1868, both born Derbyshire and living there.
Feel sure husband of both is Thomas, need his occupation, place of birth, and most important the birth place of each Thirza.
Odd one this as so easy to get the wrong family.
1901 would be a bonus!

Thanks in advance to all those who help.