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Yes thats Ronald C Southwick, he married Sally Jones..John Jones was Sallys father..John Jones wife Georgina Todd dissapeared when Sally was aged 9 (abt 1949), she ran off with her sister in laws brother Bernard?? Sally is still alive aged 73 and has no idea what happened to her mother..Salvation Army went to look for her, thats when they tracked her down in Manchester, John Jones was looking for a divorce, but she never returned. John Jones died c1966 at Finsbury Park Islington..

Dont think that would be the Ellen Olive Harris, she brought up Ronald who was born 1935..We are not even sure if Ellen Olive IS the mother of Eileen M Harris who has apparently died aged 21 when Ronald was 10 months old from TB

There's a Ronald Southwick living at 40 Haden Court, Lennox Road Islington from 1958 with a John Jones, by 1961 (sorry this should read 1960) there is also a Sally Southwick recorded, and a marriage for Ronald C to Sally Jones in 1956.

The children would not be recorded on the electoral rolls until they were eligible to vote, ie age 21.

Have you found Ellen Olive Harris ln 1939 onwards, it's just there's a death in 1940 which could be her.

Thats the details I have! when I looked up the electoral Registration I see the family in 1933 1934, 1935 (they have Eileen Mabel Harris living with them) but not sure if its the same Eileen..According to my notes Eileen was expectiong or just had Ronald 1935 and had left her husband by this time, I seen Eileen Mabel Haris along with Ellen Olive Harris in 1936 1937 1938 but not in 1939 where there is a death for Eileen M Southwick in 1939. But according to my source she seems to think Eileen died when her yongest son Ronald Charles Southwick was 10 months old, but this could be wrong.if Ellen Olive Harris is bringing up the sons would they not be listed with her in the later registrations?? aparently she was living with an Italian by this time and the boys called him Pap..What do you think? :-S

Just to confrm fathers names for the marriage posted:

Ellen Olive Bromwich (of 4 Bayonne Road)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Reginald Harris (silversmith of 1 Normand Gdns)
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Jul 1900
Parish: West Kensington St Andrew
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Edward Bromwich (waiter, deceased)
Spouse Father Name: Herbert Henry Harris (valet, deceased)
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses Richard Driver? Bromwich & Sidney ? Harris

Oh dear, I forgot to write down the road it was Colebrook Row, Islington N1 :-S

Many thanks for your help guys, and getting quiet excited that this could well be the family I'm looking for...I'm not totally convinced (yet) as I dont have much to go on, but I do know from an older member of family aged 73 and could well be a little bit distorted with names etc that Ronald Charles Southwick born 1935 and Albert G Southwick 1933 were being brought up by their grandmother who was known as Grandma Nash (not sure I understand this bit as surely she would have been Harris!!) According to living member their mother Eileen M Harris died when Ronald was 10 months old but again this could have been just a story.. If I could trace the sons Ronald and Albert living in this road I may be able to suss out the granny, was she their grat grandma?? no one seems to know.. :-(

Please please help <3

1911

Name: Reginald Harris
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Fulham
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 34 Rowallan Road, Fulham S W
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 11
Estimated Marriage Year: 1900
Occupation: JEWELLER and METAL WORKER
Registration district: Fulham
Registration District Number: 3
Sub-registration district: North West Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 275
Household Members: Name Age
Reginald Harris 32
Ellen Olive Harris 33
Olive Harris 9
Margery Elizabeth Harris 7
Eric Sidney Leslie Harris 6
Frank Edwin Harris 5
Eliza Harris 3
Edward John Harris 0

9 Children born to the marriage, 6 living 3 had died .

A futher 5 possible children born to that couple between 1911 and 1920.

Do you mean the children were taken by their maternal grandmother?

If so the marriage certificate will give you Eileen's father's name and occupation. That would be a starting point to find the name of the grandmother.

Marriages Mar 1933
Harris Eileen M Southwick Finsbury 1b 704
Southwick Albert F Harris Finsbury 1b 704


Possible birth for Eileen.......if she was born in the London area.

Births Mar 1915 Harris Eileen M Bromwich Fulham 1a 593


Which may indicate this marriage for her parents?

Marriages Sep 1900
Batty John Fulham 1a 463
BROMWICH Ellen Olive Fulham 1a 463
Harris Reginald Fulham 1a 463
Slee Mary Alice Fulham 1a 463

??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Violet G Morgan
Name: Violet G Morgan
Mother's Maiden Name: Warman
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1915
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 535

We believe Albert F Southwick could have remarried, his first wife Eileen M Harris died leaving two young sons Ronald and Albert Southwick..The sons were taken from the father by their grandmother (dont know her name) while the father Albert disappeared and never to be seen again..Many thanks. :-D

possibly

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006

Name: Albert Southwick
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1903
Date of Registration: Dec 1989
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 13
Page: 1731

1911 census transcription details for: 4 Montem Street Tollington Park London North

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN826 RG78PN29 RD10 SD3 ED6 SN335
Reg. District: Islington
Sub District: Tollington
Parish: Islington
Enum. District: 6
Address: 4 Montem Street Tollington Park London North
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
SOUTHWICK, Charly Head Married M 30 1881 Milk Carrier London N K
SOUTHWICK, Frances Wife Married
10 years F 32 1879 London Walworth
SOUTHWICK, Harry Son M 9 1902 London Islington
SOUTHWICK, Albert Son M 8 1903 London Islington
SOUTHWICK, Charly Son M 5 1906 London Islingto


,married 10 years 3 chuldren


this is the young Charly

Name: Charles William Southwick
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1905
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 178

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
about Albert F Southwick
Name: Albert F Southwick
Electoral Year: 1961
Parliamentary Division: Islington North and West
County or Borough: Islington

Living at 8 Mary Street with Violet

??


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006

Name: Violet Gwendoline Southwick
Birth Date: 17 Dec 1914
Date of Registration: Jun 1988
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: London City
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 740

Could he have remarried........

??

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Albert F Southwick
Name: Albert F Southwick
Spouse Name: Morgan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1940
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 553


Spouse missing from entry.

???


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006

Name: Eileen M Southwick
Birth Date: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1939
Age at Death: 24
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 1b
Page: 375




Marriages Jun 1940 (>99%)
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Christopher Adelaide M Rawlings Islington 1b 553
Kelvie Scott F Stokes Islington 1b 553
Rawlings William A C Christopher Islington 1b 553
>>>>Southwick Albert F Morgan Islington 1b 553
Stokes Minnie J R Kelvie Islington 1b 553


1 female missing -

Morgan Violet G Southwick Islington 1b 555



London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965

Name: Albert F Southwick
Electoral Year: 1947
Parliamentary Division: Islington
County or Borough: Islington


living at 8 Mary Street with Violet

maybe

Name: Albert Southwick
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1903
Date of Registration: Dec 1989
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 13
Page: 1731


born March his birth could have been reg in April which would come under the June qtr

Is this him??

Births Jun 1903 (>99%)

Southwick Albert Francis Edmonton 3a 419

Trying to trace Albert F Southwick who married Eileen Harris in 1933..They had 2 sons Albert G Southwick 1933 Finsbury Middlesex and Ronald Charles Southwick in 1935.. Eileen died aged 24 from tb and the father Albert F Southwick was never seen again..

Nancy Gibson :-D