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Where was Hannah born?

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Frances

Frances Report 21 Oct 2012 10:06

Well you have all had a chatty time while I have been elsewhere!
NNW of Tanfield from Stanley is fine - I didn't wish to be quite so precise.....

General consensus seems to be we have the correct Hannah. Should I write to the owner of the Ancestry tree and make them aware?

mgnv

mgnv Report 20 Oct 2012 01:08

http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/
Birth certificate for:
Surname: GRAY
Forename: Hannah
Year: 1856
District: Durham Western
Register No. - Entry No. - District
DNTAN7 - 255 - Durham Western (1856)

So the birth was rego'ed in Tanfield subdistrict - backing up M*'s baptism record

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/613799
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/614082

Subject Location
OSGB36: NZ 187 555 [100m precision]
OSGB36: NZ 196 532 [100m precision]

So Tanfield's not really W of Stanley - more like NNW
[The coords say 900m W and 2300m N]

Shield Row is 1km NE of Stanley
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/76388

1881 definitely says Sherfield - my guess is the enumerator had difficulty transcribing John's writing of Tanfield.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Oct 2012 22:54

No, certainly not, Jill!

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 19 Oct 2012 22:51

Ahh. Okay. Thought I had made some humdinger of a mistake :-D

Frances

Frances Report 19 Oct 2012 22:49

Thanks Jill, Tanfield is just west of Stanley so it would seem to be her in the census and she has the same parents as Mike found.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Oct 2012 22:46

No, Jill, it's just that I've always wondered where that particular layout came from............I can never make head nor tail of it. Lack of familiarity, I guess.

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 19 Oct 2012 22:43

Here on GR Reggie.

I didn't say it was her, only that it could be.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/records/transcription/e1861household/19064796?searchhistorykey=16938157&surname=gray&forename=hannah

Something wrong?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Oct 2012 22:43

Births Sep 1856 (>99%)
Gray Hannah Durham 10a 198

The nearest phonetically to Sherfield in the Durham district is Shincliffe

EDIT

No.........definitely TOO LATE, if her age at death was accurately recorded

She could not have been born any later than March qtr 1856

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Oct 2012 22:35

Frances

Ignore other trees unless they give full info about proven sources.

The only way to be sure is to get the marriage cert, for her father's details.

I think the tree on Ancestry has used that site's link for Hannah Gray, which does indeed link the records to one born in the Huddersfield area.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Oct 2012 22:34

Jill

May I ask which site that census info comes from?

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 19 Oct 2012 22:27

The 1881 original shows Sherfield. Can't see what else it could be.

This could be her in the 1861. Birthplace West Stanley. Not actually sure that it helps.

1861 Census Household Record
Household Information
Address West Stanley
Parish Tanfield
District Durham, Tanfield
Administrative County Durham
Householder 1
Name John Gray
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1823
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Dressmaker
Birth Place West Moor
Birth County Cumberland
Householder 2
Name Ann Gray
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1823
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Byton
Birth County Northumberland
Householder 3
Name Robert Gray
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1845
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Coal Miner
Birth Place Shield Low
Birth County Durham
Householder 4
Name Joseph Gray
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1848
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Coal Miner
Birth Place Shield Low
Birth County Durham
Householder 5
Name John Gray
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place West Stanley
Birth County Durham
Householder 6
Name William Gray
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place West Stanley
Birth County Durham
Householder 7
Name James Gray
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1855
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Annfield Plain
Birth County Durham
Householder 8
Name Hannah Gray
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1857
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place West Stanley
Birth County Durham
Householder 9
Name Ann Gray
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1859
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place West Stanley
Birth County Durham

JustDinosaurJill

JustDinosaurJill Report 19 Oct 2012 22:09

Hmmm. The only Sherfield I have found is over three hundred miles away.

Going to have a look at the originals to check on other possible places.

Frances

Frances Report 19 Oct 2012 21:58

Thanks Mike, I will have to have a good look at a map of Co Durham with a magnifying glass.....

Mike *

Mike * Report 19 Oct 2012 21:55

Just a guess ......( it may check out with the birth and marriage certs )


name: Hannah Gray
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 21 Sep 1856
baptism/christening place: TANFIELD,DURHAM,ENGLAND
birth date: 25 Aug 1856

father's name: John Gray
:
mother's name: Ann

Mike *

Mike * Report 19 Oct 2012 21:52

Her birth cert will tell you exactly where she was born

Births Sep 1856
Gray Hannah - Durham 10a 198

Frances

Frances Report 19 Oct 2012 21:51

Thank you alviegal, I hadn't previously seen that Thorpe was in Durham,
quite some distance from Huddersfield This somewhat spikes the Ancestry tree!

Frances

Frances Report 19 Oct 2012 21:46

Sorry Mike, I got a bit carried away....
I believe her marriage is

Marriages Sep 1874
Harrison John Robert Darlington
10a 52

Gray Hannah Darlington
10a 52

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Oct 2012 21:46

For reference.


1891 census transcription details for: Elmfield, Scorton
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 4037
Folio: 77
Page: 8
Reg. District: Richmond
Sub District: Catterick
Parish: Scorton
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District: Bolton on Swale
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Elmfield, Scorton
County: Yorkshire (North Riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HARRISON, John Robert Head Married M 37 1854 Gardener
Stockton on Tees, Durham
HARRISON, Hannah Wife Married F 35 1856
Thorpe, Durham
HARRISON, Robert Son M 13 1878 Scholar
Scorton, Yorkshire
HARRISON, Thomas John Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Scorton, Yorkshire
HARRISON, Mary Hannah Daughter F 4 1887
Scorton, Yorkshire
HARRISON, Sarah L Daughter F 2 1889
Scorton, Yorkshire
HARRISON, Ada Daughter F 0 (7M) 1891
Scorton, Yorkshire



1881 census transcription details for: Village, Scorton
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 4881
Folio: 91
Page: 13
Reg. District: Richmond
Sub District: Catterick
Parish: Scorton
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Village, Scorton
County: Yorkshire (North riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HARRISON, John R Head Married M 27 1854 Farm Labourer
Stockton, Durham
HARRISON, Hannah Wife Married F 25 1856 Farm Labourer Wife
Sherfield, Durham
HARRISON, Martha Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Ayclift, Durham
HARRISON, Robt Son Single M 3 1878
Scorton, Yorkshire
HARRISON, Jane A Daughter Single F 1 1880
Scorton, Yorkshire
HARRISON, Wlm H Son Single M 0 1881
Scorton, Yorkshire

Mike *

Mike * Report 19 Oct 2012 21:43

What was her maiden name ?
When was she married?
Do you have the marriage certificate to see who here father was ?

Frances

Frances Report 19 Oct 2012 21:40

I have the 1881 census for Hannah Harrison with her husband John Robert and four children living Richmond, Catterick. The G.R. single line census gives her place of birth as Sherfield and in the 1891 it is shown as Thorpe. Unfortunately she does not show up in 1901 probably because

Deaths Mar 1898
Harrison Hannah 42 Richmond, Y.
9d 499

A tree in Ancestry via Mundia suggests she comes from Lockwood, Huddersfield but I am at a loss to see how to equate this info. Can anybody see anything to prove one way or the other whether this could be true please?

Many thanks,
Frances