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thanks all, yes, you probably right, death certificates may help. I cant find a richard being born to a sampson and elizabeth anyway. On all the census and even on richards marriage listing in 1828 it says born breage. Is grade next to or near breage then?? I considered helston. but i wonder if they were catholics or non conformist . because then i suppose they would baptise in their own denomination. ? :-S

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

(not sure if above can help with anything)

Chris :)

if the richard hocking i posted is right he states he was born in grade
and according to this site grade has not been transcribed yet
you can contact lorraine the opc here

http://www.westcountrygenealogy.com/cornwall/grade/

I think the only thing you can do is buy the death certificates to check the informant?


County Cornwall
Place Helston
Church St Michael
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 26 Jan 1800
GroomForename Richard
GroomSurname HOCKEN
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Prudence
BrideSurname TRENGOVE
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename
WitnessOneSurname
WitnessTwoForename
WitnessTwoSurname
Notes
FileNumber 12541

Hi gins
Thanks for that. Yes, the second one, living with fanny(frances) is the correct one. But i am not sure if the dance family person has the correct richard hocking . yes, mine married frances bluett/blewitt tremelling but the richard who married prudence had a son who married mary mitchell, so think they are getting mixed up. I have been told, but shown no proof as yet, that my richard born 1802 was child of sampson hocking and elizabeth nee bennett. Supposedly born in breage, which is near helston.
I am connected to john hocking, son of richard and frances. Frances dies in cornwall in 1871 then i think they , well two of the brothers richard and john, travelled to burnley via cumberland to work in the mines. Richard was married to Grace ellis and john married catherine thompson. I have all their details but i am stuck with finding proof of richard hocking born around 1802 having parents named sampson and elizabeth .
Its a hard one as there are other richards born around the same time e'g this richard in helston in 1802 with parents richard and prudence. But i have seen this one marrying mary mitchell somehwere and living in maybe lostwithiel or launceston, and i am certain he is not my richard.
:-)
thanks for your help, it is much appreciated.

Deaths Sep 1839 (>99%)
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Hocking Prudence Trengove Helston 9 59



Check her death cert, it might be Richard who registered it?


And according to that tree, this is his fathers death


Deaths Dec 1838 (>99%)
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HOCKING Richard Helston 9 87


Again the death certificate might help

????

1851 Census
9 Records found



Piece: HO107/1917 Place: Uny Lelant -Cornwall Enumeration District: 1b
Civil Parish: Towednack Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 334 Page: 15 Schedule: 54
Address: Embla

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HOCKING Richard Head M M 49 Ag Lab Cornwall - Grade
HOCKING Frances Wife M F 44 Miner Cornwall - Fillook
HOCKING Edward Son U M 21 Miner Cornwall - Lelant
HOCKING Richard Son U M 19 Ag Lab Cornwall - Lelant
HOCKING William Son U M 17 Ag Lab Cornwall - Lelant
HOCKING Elizabeth Dau - F 13 Cornwall - Lelant
HOCKING Frances Dau - F 9 Cornwall - Lelant
HOCKING John Son - M 4 Cornwall - Lelant
HOCKING Christina Dau - F 2 Cornwall - Lelant

???


County Cornwall
Place Falmouth
Church King Charles the Martyr
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 11 Nov 1803
BaptismDate 27 Nov 1803
Forename Richard
Sex M
FatherForename William
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname HOCKING
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 22532

Deaths Dec 1880 (>99%)
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Hocking Richard 81 Burnley 8e 131


His son is here and it seems your right about ending up in Burnley


1891 England Census
about John Hocking
Name: John Hocking
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Hocking
Gender: Male
Where born: Lelant, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Burnley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Burnley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Burnley
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3362
Folio: 23
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
John Hocking 44
Catherine Hocking 48
Frances Hocking 21
Richard Hocking 19
Mary J Hocking 18
William J Hocking 17
Mark Hocking 16
Christiana Hocking 14
Elizabeth A Hocking 13
Edmund Hocking 12
Thomas Hocking 10
Catherine Hocking 9

Richard Hocking
Hocking / Dance-Wilson Family Tree
Birth: 1801 - Cornwall
Parents: Richard Hocking, Prudence Trengrove
Spouse: Frances Bluett

From a tree at Ancestry but dont how accurate it is

???

1841 England Census
about Richard Hawking
Name: Richard Hawking
[Richard Hocking]
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Linkinhorne
Hundred: East (North Division)
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England


Registration district: Liskeard
Sub-registration district: Callington
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 134
Book: 6
Folio: 5
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Hawking 40
William Hawking 14
Henry Hawking 12
Richard Hawking 11
Alice Hawking 9
Betsey Hawking 6
John Hawking 3
John Hawking 78
Elizabeth Hawking 79


I think the above is wrong, is this him?


1841 England Census
about Richard Hocking
Name: Richard Hocking
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Lelant
Hundred: Penwith
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: Uny Lelant
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 142
Book: 10
Folio: 51
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Hocking 40
Fanny Hocking 30
Edwin Hocking 13
Richard Hocking 10
Wm Hocking 8
Mary Jane Hocking 6
Elizabeth Hocking 4
Edmond Hocking 1

Hi
I am trying to discover the father of a richard hocking born in breage in cornwall around 1801-1803. He married in st sithy to a frances tremelling (bluett) in 1828 before moving on to uny lelant. He had ten children and i think he died in burnley lancashire in 1880. I am sure somewhere i had found in the past, that he was connected to a samson hocking somehow but now dont remember where i got that idea from. Can anyone help.? as an edit, dont think it could be richard and prudence as this richard married a mary mitchell and my richard xdefinately married frances tremelling in 1828. thanks

hopefully
shirley :-)