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Well friends

Looks like this has not only beat me, but you all as well, but many thanks those of you that tried to help me


Marj :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

Thanks Christina

I have found a Anthony Moloney on the 1841 census with a wife called Ellen, I think i might admit defeat and just put Anthony on as Williams father and hope someone else is looking for him

Shame but some times you have to lol

Marj

I'm sorry, Marjorie, I don't know. I think a death cert should have the following information, if known by the person registering the death.....

A persons date and place of birth.
Their full name.
Their given age.
Occupation.
The cause and duration of their last illness.
Where they died.
The name and address of the informant as well as their relationship to the deceased.

So I think it would only include a wife's name if she was the informant?

Hopefully a more knowledgeable person will help you.

Christina
On his death cert, would it give his wife's name ?

Eliza is on the 1891 census as a widow with children as Eliza born Greenwich and the other children William, Henry and Elizabeth all born in Camberwell, so as she is a widow on this looks like William senior died before the 1891 census,.

What i was thinking was as William was called William George Anthony and one of his sons was also a William George Maloney and one of his Daughters boys was baptised William George Anthony maybe the father was a George and just went as Anthony like so many did

I have found a William born 1845 in the 1861 and 1871 census but his parents were a John and Mary, but not sure if this is him as we all know on his marrige lines gives his father as Anthony Moloney, not sure when it changed to Maloney maybe it always was and the writing was bad

Will look to see if i can find a George Maloney with a son called William

What a brick wall i have here

Marj

Sorry, Marjorie, I cannot find anything else on William. There is a William born about the same time in Ireland. In 1881 is a soldier:

1881 England Census
about William Moloney
Name: William Moloney
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Soldier
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Carisbrooke
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: "Military Barracks" Parkhurst I O W
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Soldier

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: Military Barracks Called Parkhurst Barracks

Hi all

Sorry got the wrong Swain it was a Robert Swain, was looking at the marriage lines again

Marj

Have you got William's death cert?


Deaths Jun 1886 (>99%)
Moloney William 43 Camberwell 1d


If this is his death, then he was born 1842 - 1843.


Age 38 at marriage in Jan 1883, would make his year of birth 1844 - 1845.


Have you found him on any census?


Just wondering where you got his birth as 1845 - 1847 from?

Potty

As far as I know William was born 1845-47 but can not find where, as I have tried to get his birth certif for him but there is not a record of a William born 1845-47 with the father called Anthony, I have a copy of a William born 1845 with a Father called John who was born in Greenwich
Eliza got married again in 1902 and to a Harry Lewis, he was a lodger, in the house she lived in, at the time of Harry and Eliza marriage they lived at Vesrley Road Camberwell, and her daughter Eliza Swain and her husband were the witneses

Margee
Opps sorry meant I visited the family home Williams daughter Eliza Maloney who married a George Swain lived in Ruby Street off Old Kent Road,

Christina
This info is correct
Eliza E Moloney 38
Eliza Moloney 19 married a George Swain
William G Moloney 19 William died in the 1st world war in Flanders
Henry R Moloney 16 this is my grandfather died in 1947
Elizabeth Moloney 15 married a Edwin Vaughan
Thomas Moloney 12 died of war wounds in 1919
Martha Moloney 11 Married a Benjamin Harris

So you can see i have the right family, but some times it gives the surname as Maloney and others Moloney

This is ONE big brick wall

Regards Marj

Looks like you are right, Christina. Here is Martha's marriage - father's occupation, Customs House Officer, same as on his marriage to Eliza:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Martha Maloney
Name: Martha Maloney
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Age: 23
Spouse Name: Benjamin Joseph Harris
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1913
Parish: South Bermondsey St Augustine
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Maloney
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Charles Harris
Register Type: Parish Register

1901 England Census
Name: Eliza E Moloney
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 522
Folio: 16
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza E Moloney 38
Eliza Moloney 19
William G Moloney 19
Henry R Moloney 16
Elizabeth Moloney 15
Thomas Moloney 12
Martha Moloney 11

Or Eliza remarried in 1902 to Harry Lewis....


1911 England Census
Name: Eliza Lewis
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Islington
Civil parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 392 Rotherhithe New Road S E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 15
Estimated Marriage Year: 1896
Occupation: WASHER AT LAUNDRY
Registration district: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Registration District Number: 24
Sub-registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 1894
Household Members: Name Age
Harry Lewis 37
Eliza Lewis 48
Martha Moloney 21
Joseph Walter Lewis 14
Benjamin Harris 22

I wonder it the Eliza in the 1902 marriage is the 9 year old Eliza in 1891 and was born before her mother's marriage, that would explain the double entry.

There is another possible marriage for an Eliza Buckhurst in 1902 to a William but he is not Maloney. There is obviously something odd about this page - there are 3 Elizas!:

Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
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Allen Elizabeth Camberwell 1d 1201
Buckhurst Eliza Camberwell 1d 1201
Lewis Harry Camberwell 1d 1201
Maloney Eliza Camberwell 1d 1201
Moloney Eliza Camberwell 1d 1201
Oldfield William Camberwell 1d 1201

This looks like Eliza in 1891 (the children anre mistranscribed):

1891 England Census
about Eliza Maloney
Name: Eliza Maloney
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Peckham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 483
Folio: 12
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
John Hardy 47
Deborah Hardy 53
Harriet Addis 14
Eliza Davis 42
John Hardy 18
Robert Hardy 16
Jane Hardy 14
James Hardy 9
Emma Hardy 7
William Hardy 4
Eliza Maloney 28 widow
Eliza Hardy 9
William Hardy 7
Henry Hardy 8
Elizabeth Hardy 5

Is this Eliza and William's marriage:

Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
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BUCKHURST Eliza Camberwell 1d 889
GREENSLADE Benjamin R Camberwell 1d 889
HAMMOND Catherine Camberwell 1d 889
Moloney William Camberwell 1d 889

Are you sure of dates? This couple married in 1883. Surely you didn't visit them?

His father was Anthony, a bootmaker.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Eliza Buckhurst Name: Eliza Buckhurst
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Age: 22
Spouse Name: William Moloney
Spouse Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Jan 1883
Parish: Camberwell Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Robert Buckhurst
Spouse Father Name: Anthony Moloney
Register Type: Parish Register

Can you give us some dates please, Marjorie? When and where was William born?

I am trying to find any info on Anthony, hes my Grt Grt grandfather, I believe, it says on my Grt grandfather Williams marriage lines his fathers name was Anthony and he was a boot maker, I am not sure if Anthony was his 1st or 2nd name, at the time of Williams marriage, William lived in Old Kent Road, London, where the family were still in that area in the 1950's as i visited them there, I have tired so many avenues not sure where to go now so any help would be great

William Married a Eliza Buckhurst, and it gives her father as dead so by that I believe Williams father was not,

I have info on William and Eliza children so i know I have the right William

Marj