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Thank you for the link to the Irish archives, will spend some time with this.

It is like a needle in a haystack!

This is for 1901 and 1911 Irish censuses:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

I assumed that you meant that Kathleen looked after him from when he was a baby (regardless of whether she was married).
A pity that he has forgotten details.

Thank you all.

I do know that the marriage for Kathleen is correct. I also now think that the Waudby marriage is wrong and that Mary Lilian married Mr Pickles in 1938.

I will obtain these Marriage Certificates to move this forward.

My father did not mention any other family members, a sensitive subject he has chosen to forget.

I have no idea who looked after Joseph in the intervening years 1926 -1931.

The possibility of them living in Ireland prior to 1911 is another way forward.

Sandra ..Do you know for certain that the marriage found for Kathleen was correct as there is another for a Kathleen O'Neill to a Reg. Waddington. March Quarter 1921 Halifax...
Given the date of the O'Neil/ Bamber marriage 1931 it does raise the question of who was caring for Joseph in the intervening years 1926-1931

as we do not seem to be able to find the family in 1911 or any birth reg in England is it possible they lived in Ireland and did not move her until after 1911

the trees on ancestry for aKathleen Frances O'Neil seem to have an exact birth date but no birthplace (or father) recorded

I think you need to get the marriage certificates of, first, Kathleen, if this is definitely her marriage. You can then see that James is down as father, and the witnesses and addresses and professions.

Then, as Kathleen married in Halifax, have you considered that the Waudby marriage is wrong and that Mary Lilian married Mr Pickles in Halifax in 1938?
If so, then this marriage certificate would give father's name to help confirm it.
It would also help with ages.

I have been trying to find Mary Lilian and Kathleen together in 1911, but no luck so far.

John Thomas O'Neil also looks a possible as a brother to Kathleen - did your father mention any other family members?

The details of Kathleen Frances Balmer are interesting, these are the first details I have of her Father's name James. Kathleen spoke with a Yorkshire accent. Did Kathleen have a sister Mary Lilian who was my Father Joseph's mother?

My father did not know his mother (Mary Lilian O'Neil) and yes the birth was registered late. No details of his Father are mentioned at all.

Sandra

Related?
Marriages Dec 1931
Midgley Ethel O'Neil Halifax 9a 835
O'Neil John T Midgley Halifax 9a 835

Added:
Yes
John Thomas O'neil
Birth Year: abt 1905
Marriage or Bann Date: 26 Dec 1931
Parish: Halifax, St John the Baptist
Father's Name: James O'neil labourer
Spouse's Name: Ethel Midgley
Spouse's Father's Name: James Midgley

Witness James O'Neil

Very speculative:
John Thomas O'Neil
Birth Date: 21 Sep 1905
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1982
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Lancaster
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 40
Page: 1792

and this??
Deaths Sep 1940
O'Neil James 67 Halifax 9a 1153

Possibly this marriage?
Marriages Mar 1934
Balmer Arthur G O'Neill Halifax 9a 774
O'Neil Kathleen Balmer Halifax 9a 774

So this death if Halifax?
Kathleen Frances Balmer
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1902
Date of Registration: Nov 1988
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Halifax
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 4
Page: 1021

Added:
Kathleen O'neil (34 Keighley Road)
Birth Year: abt 1903
Marriage or Bann Date: 27 Jan 1934
Parish: Halifax, St John the Baptist
Father's Name: James O'neil labourer
Spouse's Name: Arthur Gaythorne Balmer
Spouse's Father's Name: William Balmer

John Thomas O'Neil was a witness. Church of England.

Any idea what accent Kathleen spoke with - Irish? Scots? Yorkshire?

"I can trace her from marriage in 1934."

sorry Sandra - whose marriage please. Any details may help to build up background picture

for ref - registered rather late???

Births Mar 1927 (>99%)
O'Neil Joseph H O'Neil Halifax 9a 535

I have my Father's birth certificate Joseph Henry O'Neil, born 10th October 1926 which states Mary Lilian O'Neil as his mother. At this time her residence is stated as 12, Brickfield lane, Holmfield Halifax.

I know nothing else about her. My father was brought up by his 'Auntie Kathleen' who I understand might have been his auntie. I can trace her from marriage in 1934.

Interested to find out where Mary Lilian went?

Sandra

I agree with the Halifax marriage looking a strong possibility,a variety of deaths in different areas, including:
Mary Lillian Pickles
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1900
Date of Registration: Dec 1990
Age at Death: 90
Registration district: Burnley and Pendle
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 40
Page: 1119

Sculcoates is a fair distance from Holmfield as well.

PM sent to Sandra to advise how to find her thread.

This is the death of Mary Louisa Waudby:
Mary Louisa Waudby
Birth Date: 13 Mar 1901
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1976
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Mansfield
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 8
Page: 0269

whilst this is the birth:
Births Dec 1903
O'NEIL Mary Louisa Weardale 10a 305

Weardale nowhere near Sculcoates.

Did Mary arrive from Ireland?

Your not sure about the 1931 marriage. Got a sneaky feeling that it was Mary Louisa O'Neil who married John Waudby..... seem to have moved to the Mansfield area.

What about the 1938 marriage in Halifax to Mr Pickles?? It would be more likely as that is the area closest to her.

What is your connection to Mary please Sandra?

Do have any other info at all about her such as the names/ages of any brothers or sisters which might help us to identify her?

Is the address in 1926, where she was living when she gave birth, or just a known address?
I have found a death in 2002 for someone born in 1914. which would make her very young in 1926. (In Essex)
Sorry, I am just guessing what is going on.

I cannot see a death for Mary L Waudby, but there is this marriage:
Mary L Waudby
Spouse Surname: Ratcliffe
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1978
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 7
Page Number: 1186

Added;
Just seen a birth for a Mary L born 1954, so probably ignore this marriage.

Married 1931...


O'Neil Mary L Waudby J Sculcoates 9d 458

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