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looking for george woolner who married mary ann cooper 9.1. 1878.
the father was william woolner and marys father was john.
also looking for john crisp who married emma woolner on 28.1,1879
emmas father also william inkeeper.
can you also name some of the children they had so as I can work from that.
thankyou

for area:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about George Woolner
Name: George Woolner
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1878
Registration district: Wangford
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 935
Spouse: Mary Ann Cooper

What age do they both give on the marriage cert. and what do the father's give as their occupations. Also occupation of George?

This William in 1871 is a beer house keeper with son George

Name: William Woolner
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriett Woolner
Gender: Male
Where born: Beccles, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 1776
Folio: 60
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
William Woolner 50
Harriett Woolner 48
George Woolner 20
Phillis Woolner 14
William Woolner 7
Charles Woolner 2

this death is same area as marriage so a possible death for George:-

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about George Woolner
Name: George Woolner
Birth Date: abt 1851
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1933
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Wangford
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 1585

.................in which case his date of birth would be abt. 1851. Could this be him?

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1861 England Census about George Woolner
Name: George Woolner
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Woolner
Mother's Name: Harriett Woolner
Gender: Male
Where born: Weston, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Ag. Labourer

Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 1185
Folio: 65
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Woolner 40
Harriett Woolner 38
Harriett S Woolner 12
George Woolner 10
Emma Woolner 6
Phillis Woolner 4

...................There is a sister Emma here, so maybe?

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1861 England Census about George Woolner
Name: George Woolner
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Woolner
Mother's Name: Harriett Woolner
Gender: Male
Where born: Weston, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 1185
Folio: 65
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Woolner 40
Harriett Woolner 38
Harriett S Woolner 12
George Woolner 10
Emma Woolner 6
Phillis Woolner 4

Emma and John Crisp 1881?

Name: John Crisp
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Crisp
Gender: Male
Where born: Weston

Civil parish: Beccles
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address: Ingate St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Maltsters Labr

Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1898
Folio: 100
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
John Crisp 25
Emma Crisp 26
Nellie M. Crisp 4
Rose Crisp

Looks as though K has come to the same conclusion as me so looking good.
Gloria could you let us know if we have the correct family please.

For future ref:-

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Harriet Susan Woolner
Name: Harriet Susan Woolner
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 6 Aug 1848
Christening Place: Weston, Suffolk, England
Father's Name: William Woolner
Mother's Name: Harriet
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Harriett Susanna Woolner
Name: Harriett Susanna Woolner
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1874
Registration district: Wangford
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1564
Spouse: George Mouel
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Harriett Susanna Mouel
Name: Harriett Susanna Mouel
Probate Date: 10 Feb 1933
Death Date: 18 Jan 1933
Death Place: Suffolk, England
Registry: London, England

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about William Woolner
Name: William Woolner
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1845
Registration district: Wangford
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume Number: 13
Page Number: 1253
Spouse: Harriet Emmerson
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England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Harriet Woolner
Name: Harriet Woolner
Birth Date: abt 1823
Date of Registration: 1919
Age at Death: 96
Registration district: Wangford
Inferred County: Suffolk
......................................................................
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Harriet Woolner
Name: Harriet Woolner
Probate Date: 12 Jan 1920
Death Date: 15 Oct 1920
Death Place: Suffolk, England
Registry: Ipswich

Died 15th October 1919 to Phillis Tilmouth (wife of Edward Tilmouth) Effects:£222 5s 3d

1851 England Census about William Woolnough
Name: William Woolnough
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Woolnough
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Beccles, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Weston
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Labouring Horse Driver

Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 11a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 1804
Folio: 500
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
William Woolnough 30
Harriet Woolnough 28 - born: Mendham, Suffolk
Harriet Woolnough 3
George Woolnough 8 Mo

Going on William's place of birth, this could be him in 1841:-

1841 England Census about William Woolner
Name: William Woolner
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
Hundred: Wangford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: North Gate Street

Occupation: Groom

Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1039
Book: 3
Folio: 21
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
George Woolner 47 - Shoemaker
Maria Woolner 50
William Woolner 20
Mary Woolner 18
Eliza Woolner 16
Sarah Woolner 1

........................occupation is Groom which is similar to 1851, but you will need to buy his marrage cert. to Harriet Emmerson to find out if it matches father's name and occupation.

Possible baptism for Harriet Emmerson:-

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Harriet Emmerton, 1824
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name: Harriet Emmerton
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 02 May 1824
baptism/christening place: MENDHAM,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
birth date: 13 Mar 1824

father's name: William Emmerton
mother's name: Jane Coppin

indexing project (batch) number: C13169-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 952982
reference number:
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"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBZG-FXK : accessed 28 Sep 2012), Harriet Emmerton, 13 Mar 1824; citing reference , FHL microfilm 952982.

....................here again you will need the marriage cert. to check father's name!

Moving forward from 1871:-

1881 England Census about William Woolner
Name: William Woolner
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriett Woolner
Gender: Male
Where born: Beccles, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: Pudding Moor
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1898
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
William Woolner 60
Harriett Woolner 58
William Woolner 17 - Butcher's labourer
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1891 England Census about William Woolner
Name: William Woolner
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Woolner
Gender: Male
Where born: Beccles, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
Ecclesiastical parish: Beccles
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: Pudding Moor

Occupation: Gardener

Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1488
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
William Woolner 70
Harriet Woolner 68
Mary Hubbard 29 - Visitor
...........................................................................

1901 England Census about William Woolner
Name: William Woolner
Age: 80
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Woolner
Gender: Male
Where born: Beccles, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
Ecclesiastical parish: Beccles St Michael
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: Pudding Moor

Occupation: Retired Horseman on Farm

Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Piece: 1799
Folio: 12
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
William Woolner 80
Harriet Woolner 78

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about William Woolner
Name: William Woolner
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1901
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Wangford
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 566
............................................................................................

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about William Woolner
Name: William Woolner
Probate Date: 17 Jun 1902
Death Date: 15 Jun 1901
Death Place: Suffolk, England
Registry: Ipswich

Occupation Gardener
Probate to George Mouel carter and Edward Tilmouth printer Effects:£358 11s 3d

1911 England Census about Harriet Woolner
Name: Harriet Woolner
Age in 1911: 88
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Mendham, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: 36 Pudding Moor, Beccles
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Wangford
Registration District Number: 217
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 46
Piece: 11011
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriet Woolner 88
Frederick Balls 26 - Grandson
Edith Balls 26 - Grand-daughter
Frank Balls 1 - Great Grandson
Leonard Balls 6 - Great Grandson

...................6 children - 5 living and 1 died.

Going forward from 1881 (John and Emma Crisp):-

1891 England Census about John Crisp
Name: John Crisp
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Crisp
Gender: Male
Where born: Beccles, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
Ecclesiastical parish: Beccles
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: London Road

Occupation: Ag. Labourer

Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1488
Folio: 92
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
John Crisp 35
Emma Crisp 36
Nellie M Crisp 14
Rosa Crisp 10
Alice H Crisp 8
Edith Crisp 6
John Crisp 5
William A Crisp 3
Mary E Crisp 1
...................................................................

1901 England Census about John Crisp
Name: John Crisp
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Crisp
Gender: Male
Where born: Weston, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
Ecclesiastical parish: Beccles St Michael
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: London Road

Occupation: Ag. Lab.

Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 185
Piece: 1799
Folio: 102
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
John Crisp 46
Emma Crisp 47
John Crisp 15
William A Crisp 13
Mary E Crisp 11
Alfred G Crisp 9
Florence A Crisp 3
.............................................................

1911 England Census about John Crisp
Name: John Crisp
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Henstead, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: No 1 The Score, Old Market, Beccles, Suffolk
Years Married: 33
Estimated Marriage Year: 1878
Occupation: Labourer, Road
Registration district: Wangford
Registration District Number: 217
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 11007
Household Members:
Name Age
John Crisp 53
Emma Crisp 54
Alice Crisp 30
John Crisp 25
George Crisp 19
Florance Crisp 13
Leonard Crisp 7 - Grandson Birth Place: Beccles
John Newson 2 - Grandson Birth Place: Langley, Norfolk

10 children - 9 living and 1 died

Going backwards for John Crisp:-

Possible?

1871 England Census about John Crisp
Name: John Crisp
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Crisp
Gender: Male
Where born: Weston, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Beccles
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 1776
Folio: 64
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Crisp 54 born: Ringsfield, Suffolk - (Ag.Lab.)
John Crisp 15

............You will also need the marriage certificate for John and Emma to make sure that father's name and occupation fit.

1861 England Census about John Coup (original shows Crisp)
Name: John Coup
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Coup
Gender: Male
Where born: Weston, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: South Cove
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Pig Boy

Registration district: Blything
Sub-registration district: Wenhaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 13d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 1183
Folio: 69
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
John Coup 45 - Horse Driver - (Widow)
Charles Coup 10 - Cow Boy
Ronda Coup 9
John Coup 6
Ann Hubbard 39
.............................................................................

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," John Crisp, 1855
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name: John Crisp
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Mar 1855
baptism/christening place: BRAMPTON,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND

father's name: John Crisp
mother's name: Rhoda

indexing project (batch) number: C01361-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 919567
reference number:
Citing this Record

"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N5VP-XXJ : accessed 28 Sep 2012), John Crisp, 18 Mar 1855; citing reference , FHL microfilm 919567.

thankyou so much will spend sometime this afternoon sorting it out
and hin 1879opefully get it posted to beccles.their ages when got married geo 27
so that is right
joh john crisp 25 emma was 24really need to get this all tied up because I seem
to be forgetfull these days plus have kidney problems.

did you get my reply
gloria