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Hi.
Wonder if a new set of eyes might be able to help me..
When we had a taster of the 1911 census before it came out I found my grandad. Baden Powell Drew b. May 1900 in Grimstone Norfolk....I found him with a relation A Chilvers and his name and sisters were under Chilvers too, But now I cannot find them... both his parents had died by 1911.. it's a blinking mystery..

Thanks Pat

Is this the one Pat ?

1911 England Census 1911 England Census
Name: Baden Powell Chilvers
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Norwich, Norfolk
Civil parish: Norwich
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address: 7 White Horse Yard, Essex Street, Norwich
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: school
Registration district: Norwich
Registration District Number: 225
Sub-registration district: West Wymer
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 11323
Household Members: Name Age
Goodwin Glasswell 40
Richard Chilvers 48
James Chilvers 14
Baden Powell Chilvers 10
Ivy Ruby Chilvers 7




Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 11323; Schedule Number: 120; .




Barbara x

I've found him on the 1901 census, still looking at 1911 for you

Name: Baden Drew
Age: 10 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Drew
Mother's Name: Janet Drew
Gender: Male
Where born: Grimston, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Congham
Ecclesiastical parish: Congham St Andrew
Town: Congham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration district: Freebridge Lynn
Sub-registration district: Hillington
Household schedule number: 45
Piece: 1884
Folio: 116
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Drew 30
Janet Drew 31
Roseaine Drew 8
Hagan Drew 5
Baden Drew 10 Months
Allice Chilvers 16

FMP version...

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: CHILVERS, Baden Powell
Address: 7 White Horse Yard Essex Street Norwich

CHILVERS, Richard Father Widower M 48 1863 Labourer Norwich Norfolk VIEW
CHILVERS, James Son Single M 14 1897 Errand Boy Norwich Norfolk VIEW
CHILVERS, Baden Powell Son Single M 10 1901 School Norwich Norfolk VIEW
CHILVERS, Ivy Ruby Daughter Single F 7 1904 School Norwich Norfolk VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 11323
Reference: RG14PN11323 RG78PN614 RD225 SD2 ED34 SN120
Registration District: Norwich
Sub District: West Wymer
Enumeration District: 34
Parish: Norwich
Address: 7 White Horse Yard Essex Street Norwich
County: Norfolk

Edit: It can't be this one if both his parent's had died by 1911.

I saw that one too Barbara and was wondering if it was himj

Hi.
Thanks.
The one on 1901 census is him but not its not him on the 1911.
on the taster he was with Alice Chilvers and sisters Hagar and Roseann..

I have to pop out .. so not being rude will look when get back..

Thank you all so much..
Pat

Is this Hagar in 1911. She is a servant in Suffolk....


1911 England Census
Name: Hagar Drew
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Grimston, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Hoxne
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: The Firs, Hoxne, Eye, Suffolk
Occupation: General Domestic
Registration district: Hartismere
Registration District Number: 210
Sub-registration district: Stradbroke
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 23
Piece: 10728
Household Members: Name Age
Herbert Christal 29
Hagar Drew 14
Katie Riches 14

I'm not 100% convinced about that 1911, I thought the Baden Powell Chilvers on there might be this birth:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Robert Baden Chilvers
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1900
Registration district: Norwich
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 149

Which would be this 1901 (there is a brother James of the right age)

CHILVERS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1866 Norwich, Norfolk
CHILVERS, Florence Daughter Single F 16 1885 Boot Makers Clerk Norwich, Norfolk
CHILVERS, Richard Son Single M 15 1886 Paper Errand Boy Norwich, Norfolk
CHILVERS, Arthur Son Single M 12 1889 Norwich, Norfolk
CHILVERS, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 11 1890 Norwich, Norfolk
CHILVERS, George Son Single M 10 1891 Norwich, Norfolk
CHILVERS, James Son Single M 3 1898 Norwich, Norfolk
CHILVERS, Robert B Son Single M 1 1900 Norwich, Norfolk

Piece: 1847 Folio: 182 Page: 27
Registration District: Norwich
Civil Parish: Norwich

Address: Orphanage, Crooks Place, Norwich County: Norfolk

I can't see an appropriate birth for a Hagan Drew..........but there is one for a Hagar Drew which fits with the birth entry of Baden....


Births Jun 1896 (>99%)
Drew Hagar Freebridge L. 4b 309

Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
Drew Baden Powell Freebridge L. 4b 287


If as you say she is with her brother in the 1911.........this can't be her then........


??
1911 England Census
about Hagar Drew
Name: Hagar Drew
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Grimston, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Hoxne
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: The Firs, Hoxne, Eye, Suffolk
Occupation: General Domestic
Registration district: Hartismere
Registration District Number: 210
Sub-registration district: Stradbroke
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 23
Piece: 10728
Household Members: Name Age
Herbert Christal 29
Hagar Drew 14
Katie Riches 14

This is the 1891 for the Chilvers family from the 1911 & 1901 already posted.

CHILVERS, Richard Head Married M 28 1863 General Labourer Norwich, Norfolk
CHILVERS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 25 1866 Norwich, Norfolk
CHILVERS, Florence Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Norwich, Norfolk
CHILVERS, Richard Son M 5 1886 Scholar Norwich, Norfolk
CHILVERS, Arthur Son M 1 1890 Norwich, Norfolk

Piece: 1529 Folio: 10 Page: 14
Registration District: Norwich
Civil Parish: Norwich Municipal
Borough: Norwich

Address: 5, Globe Row, Globe Street, Norwich County: Norfolk

There's continuity with the family through the three census so I don't think that Baden Chilvers and Baden Drew are the same person. There IS an Alice Chilvers on the 1901 with the Drews so there must be a connection somehow.

Was Roseann reigistered as Rosanna May?


Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Drew Rosanna May Docking 4b 302


Deaths Jun 1902 (>99%)
Drew Rosanna May 8 Freebridge L. 4b _90

Two separate deaths:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Baden Powell Drew
Birth Date: 29 May 1900
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1981
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Ely
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 9
Page: 0871


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Robert B Chilvers
Birth Date: abt 1900
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1955
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Norwich
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 528

(The probate record for the latter confirms middle name as Baden)

Could this be him?? Can't see another birth for a Baden Drew (apart from Fred Baden and he is with his parents).

Place of birth for Edward (listed under Baden Drew) is given as Grimston.

1911 England Census
Name: Baden Drew
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Long Sutton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Deeping St Nicholas
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address: Mr T Pick's Farm Deeping St Nicholas
Occupation: School
Registration district: Spalding
Registration District Number: 413
Sub-registration district: Deeping St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 19507
Household Members: Name Age
George Drew 48
Martha Drew 46
Henry Drew 21
John Drew 19
Louisa Drew 14
William Drew 11
Baden Drew 10
Edward Drew 8
Grace Drew 7
Christina Drew 5
Martha Roberts 24
Edith Mary Roberts 1/12


Perhaps taken in by an uncle & aunt???

It looks as if it could be Christina----if this is George and Charles in 1881 census

1881 England Census 1881 England Census
Name: George Drew
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Drew
Mother's Name: Martha Drew
Gender: Male
Where born: East Winch, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Grimston
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address: Congham Road
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Shepherds Page

Registration district: Freebridge Lynn
Sub-registration district: Hillington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1993
Folio: 105
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
John Drew 40
Martha Drew 40
George Drew 18 <<<<<<<
Christiana Drew 15
James Drew 13
Charles Drew 10 <<<<<<<<
John Drew 6
Fanny Drew 4
Martha Drew 1



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1993; Folio: 105; Page: 10; GSU roll: 1341480.


The only Baden Drew birth I can find for c1900 +/- 2 years

Births Sep 1900

Drew Baden Powell Freebridge L. 4b 287



Barbara x

On that 1911 census with George and Martha Drew it says Martha had given birth to 9 children, all still alive. All 9 children are accounted for on that census.

FMP version to show relationships:

DREW, George Head Married M 48 1863 Farm Cattle Man Norfolk East Winch
DREW, Martha Wife Married 25 years F 46 1865 Norfolk Grimston
DREW, Henry Single M 21 1890 Farm Housekeeper Norfolk Grimston
DREW, John Son Single M 19 1892 Farm Labourer Norfolk Grimston
DREW, Louisa Daughter F 14 1897 Norfolk Grimston
DREW, William Son M 11 1900 School Cambs Christchurch
DREW, Baden Son M 10 1901 School Lincs Long Sutton
DREW, Edward Son M 8 1903 Norfolk Grimston
DREW, Grace Daughter F 7 1904 Kirby Lincs
DREW, Christina Daughter F 5 1906 Lincs Kirk Bywood
ROBERTS, Martha Daughter Widow F 24 1887 Norfolk Grimston
ROBERTS, Edith Mary Granddaughter F 0 (1 MONTH) 1911 Lincs Deeping St Nicholas

RG number: RG14 Piece: 19507
Reference: RG14PN19507 RG78PN1170 RD413 SD6 ED1 SN27
Registration District: Spalding
Sub District: Deeping St Nicholas
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Deeping St Nicholas

Address: Mr T Picks Farm Deeping St Nicholas Spalding County: Lincolnshire

BUT - I can't find another birth to account for this Baden other than has been posted

Forgot to say --it looks as if the rest of the Chilvers family are living next door to Charles and Janet in the 1901 census.

This could be Alice in 1891 census

1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: Alice Chilvers
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Amos Chilvers
Gender: Female
Where born: Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: West Lynn
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: King
Sub-registration district: King
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1570
Folio: 124
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Amos Chilvers 31
Agnes Chilvers 9
Horace Chilvers 7
Alice Chilvers 5 >>>>
Elizth Ripper 29


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1570; Folio: 124; Page: 6; GSU roll: 6096680.


But I can't find anthing else that "ties" the Drew and Chilvers together :-(

Barbara x

Hi,
Sorry ....

Marie Celeste...yes thats grandads death in Ely..
Barbara yes thats the Alice he was with when I saw the taster census...

Christina I thought I saw her on 1911 but that looks like her will need to get to records office to see who the parents were. and perhaps see if they have census returns
Can't believe he is so hard to find...

Thankyou all so much for you time.