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I am trying to trace the mother of John Bradley whos birth is is shown as Menston (menstone) yorkshire 1852. I know he was born out of wedlock and his fathers name is John Dickinson from Stainburn , Wharfedale Yorkshire. I have applied for various copy birth certificates all to no avaial. Any suggestions anyone would be greatly appreciated. Tearing my hair out now !!!!!!!

1911 England Census
about John Bradley
Name: John Bradley
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Menston, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Stainburn
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: Low Banks Farm Huby Nr Leeds
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farmer
Registration district: Wharfedale
Registration District Number: 491
Sub-registration district: Fewston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 25995
Household Members: Name Age
John Bradley 59
Mary Ann Bradley 58
James Bradley 24
Jesse Bradley 20
William Bradley 19
Annie Bradley 16


1861 England Census
about John Bradley
Name: John Bradley
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: John Dickinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Menston, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Stainburn
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub-registration district: Fewston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Piece: 3218
Folio: 29
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Joshua Dickinson 80
Christiana Dickinson 82
John Dickinson 44
Joshua Dickinson 15
John Bradley 9
Mary A Lawrence 29
Susanna Lawrence 3
William Lawrence 6 Months

Not compulsory to register births then so you might never get a birth cert

How do you know he was born out of wedlock ?

1861 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address West End
Parish Stainburn
District Wharfedale, Fewston
Administrative County Yorkshire (West Riding)

Householder 1
Name Joshua Dickinson
Age 80
Estimated Year of Birth 1781
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Farmer Of 80 Acres Of L
Birth Place Summer Bridge
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 2
Name Christiane Dickinson
Age 82
Estimated Year of Birth 1779
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Farmers Wife
Birth Place Stainburn
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 3
Name John Dickinson
Age 44
Estimated Year of Birth 1817
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Farmers Son
Birth Place Stainburn
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 4
Name Joshua Dickinson
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1846
Relationship to Head of Household Grandson
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Underscliffe
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 5
Name John Bradley
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1852
Relationship to Head of Household Grandson
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Menston
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 6
Name Mary A Lawrence
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1832
Relationship to Head of Household Granddaughter
Occupation
Birth Place Stainburn
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 7
Name Susanna Lawrence
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1858
Relationship to Head of Household Granddaughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Rigton
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 8
Name William Lawrence
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Grandson
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Stainburn
Birth County Yorkshire

1871 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address Amarica
Parish Stainburn
District Wharfedale, Fewston
Administrative County Yorkshire

Householder 1
Name John Dickinson
Age 52
Estimated Year of Birth 1819
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation
Birth Place Yorkshire
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 2
Name John Bradley
Age 19
Estimated Year of Birth 1852
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation
Birth Place Yorkshire
Birth County Yorkshire


born menstone on census

1881 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address
Parish Stainburn
District Wharfedale, Fewston
Administrative County Yorkshire (West Riding)

Householder 1
Name John Dickinson
Age 63
Estimated Year of Birth 1818
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Farmer 85 Acres Employs Her Son
Birth Place Stainburn
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 2
Name John Dickinson Bradley
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1852
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Farmers Son
Birth Place Menstone
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 3
Name John Dickinson
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1836
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Farmer Of 210 Acres Employs 2 Men
Birth Place Pool Nr Otley
Birth County Yorkshire
Householder 4

Name Mary Dickinson
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1843
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation Farmers Wife
Birth Place Hartwith
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 5
Name Jane Dickinson
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1872
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Stainburn
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 6
Name Mary Emma Dickinson
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1874
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Stainburn
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 7
Name Charley Dickinson
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Stainburn
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 8
Name William Lawrance
Age 19
Estimated Year of Birth 1862
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Farm Servant
Birth Place Rigton
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 9
Name Mary Lawrance
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1863
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Domestic Servant
Birth Place Rigton
Birth County Yorkshire

Householder 10
Name Dixon Thompson
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Farm Servant
Birth Place Rigton
Birth County Yorkshire


born menstone on census

Hello Barbara, and welcome to the boards.

Sorry if this sounds like a daft question - but if he was born out of wedlock how do you know who the father is but not the mother?

I am almost positive he was born out of wedlock as his name is John Bradley yet his fathers name is John Dickinson. John Dickinson his father never married and doesnt appear to have fathered any other children. Thanks for all your help on the threads but I have already gone over these. Doesnt look like I am going to get any nearer in finding out who is mother was

I know who his father was because he lived with him in Stainburn . His father was John Dickinson born circa 1818 in Stainburn. John Bradley went to live with his father (John Dickinson) sometime after he was born. I am assuming John Dickinson had an affair with a servant etc etc

Apart from them not being married I cannot think of any other reason as to why his son would have a different surname to that of his father. I have absolutely no idea as to where to go from here. Ancestors Eh!!!!!!! :-S

Barbara,
Have you got either of these certs for John Bradley.
The births had to be reigisterd in Otley which was the next village/town down from Menston..


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1851 (>99%)
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Bradley John Otley 23 613

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Births Mar 1852 (>99%)
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Bradley John Otley 9a 126

Hi, Sue. Yes, these are the two birth certificates that I applied for. I was able to rule out either of them being the John Bradley that I was looking for. I dont think I am ever going to find out who his birth mother was. Im sure she must have registered the birth though because even though we went to live with his father John Dickinson he kept the surname Bradley. In later years he called himself John Dickinson (middle name) Bradley.

Thanks very much for your input though. It is much appreciated

As you have already been advised, there were no penalties for not registering births until 1875.............and illegitimate births were amongst the least likely to be recorded

Have you tried looking for a baptism?

Whose son was Joshua?

Hi Reggie, I have absolutely no idea who Joshua jnrs father was. I have tried looking in baptisms but again no joy. In the 1851 census record there is a joshua being shown as born in 1826 and relationship to head of house is shown as son. In the 1861 census Joshua Dickinson is shown as being born in 1846 and relationship as grandson ?????

the 1841 census is interesting. I struggled to find this but eventually found it under the s urname of Dickens and NOT dickinson. The family are all there and I also notice that a Mary Fawcet is listed. No relationship is given. She is there again as M Ann Fawcet in the 1851 census and in the 1861 census a Mary Lawrence is shown (could this be Mary Fawcett who is now married) is there anyway that SHE might figure into the equation ????? and if so how