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Thank you Flip & Jonesey.

I'll check out the site you mentioned Flip.
Jonesey, what you say makes sense. John had two children so it all makes sense.
Thanks again, I appreciate all the help. :)
Karina

When Kitchener's "Your Country Needs You" call for volunteers was made the response was way beyond expectations. As a consequence although enlistment procedures were completed, generally speaking married men with children were put on to the reserve list whilst single men were immediately placed with regiments and began their army training. Those with recent previous army service began active very quickly.

As the war progressed and the losses of men became severe, the married men with children were subsequently called forward from the reserve and were mobilised.

This site may be of interest:

http://www.ppu.org.uk/coproject/coww2.html

Oooh!, sorry Karina, I'm afraid I don't know...

(hopefully somebody will!)

Chris :)

Thanks Sylvia & Chris,

Sylvia, your explanation was really useful, Thank you.
Chris, thanks for the infor real the wrong spelling! I shall re-run some of my searches using the spell you gave, It might help plug some of the census gaps I have! John does appear in the National Archives under the correct spelling and if you google his name he pops up three or four times.
Chris, do you know if 'conscientious objectors' were listed anywhere for WW2? My side of the family tree has come to a dead end during the 1940s but I can pick it up again during the 1900s using family documents etc.
Thank you both so much
Karina

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
about John A Prochl
Name: John A Prochl
Regiment or Corps: Middlesex Regiment
Regimental Number: G/31166

(says Victory Medal was sent back for amendment, as spelt Prechl)

Chris :)

edits (at least that's what I think it means!, also Prochl, National Archives)

Karina


If this is of any help ............


My grandfather was attested on 11 Dec 1915 ...... that's when he signed all the papers, answered questions, height measured, etc etc

Then he was posted to the Army Reserve on 12 Dec 1915

He was mobilized on 18 August 1916, and Posted to his regiment on 10 August 1916.

He did what looks like 2 month of training, and was then transferred to the very new Machine Gun Corps on 17 October 1916




This looks similar to what happened to your husband's grandfather.


It seems to be that what happened was that men received a call-up notice, or went to the Army Office to enlist.

They underwent the first steps in call-up, and then were put onto the Reserve List, until they were needed.


My grandfather was almost 31 in Dec 1915, and had 3 children .......................


.......... I don't know whether this made a difference ................ although it may have done ......................................


My uncle (father's eldest brother) was attested on 19 October 1915, and Posted as a Private to a Regiment that same day.


He was 19 years and 4 months old, and single



How would this fit with your husband's grandfather????





sylvia

Reggie, thank you very much. I was amazed at how quickly you replied. You've made it easier for me to understand, so now I can explain it turn to my other half and put it in chronological order in the family history.

Thanks again Reggie. Hope your own searches are going well!

Karina

I'll do my best........

The number is his regimental number........so you're right about that

It would appear that, for some reason , he was not immediately seconded to active service, and was put in the Reserves.

Subsequently, he was called to serve with the Royal Fusiliers, during which time he was awarded his medals, then on demob was again transferred to the Reserve, which would have meant that he would have been liable to recalled in the event of further hostilities.

My interpretation of OIC is Officer in Command (or Charge), but it doesn't exactly fit with the rest of the phrase...........

I don't think I've shed much light on it................sorry

Perhaps someone else on here has more in-depth knowledge, and can help you

Hi Reggie,
Regtl. No. Does that stand for Regiment No? 31166
It looks like he was in the 2nd L & G (?) Middlesex Regiment.
He was transferred to Reserve. The form then goes on to say that he was called up for service on the 9th June 1916 for the Royal Fusiliers.
He has two medals apparently The British War Medal and the Victory Medal and had served overseas on Active Service.
The Place of rejoining is given as Crystal Palace, Medical Category A.
He is transferred to Army Reserves on 15/11/1919 in the consequence of Demobilization. OIC is shown as No.1 records, Hanwell.
does this make any sense to you? Thanks Reggie,
Karina

What is it that you are finding difficult to read on the form?

Hello there, I wonder if anyone can help me please? I have a Army Form Z.21 - Certificate of Transfer to Reserve for my husbands Grandfather. Can anyone help me decipher it please. I'm very new to Miltary records so am feeling out of my depth. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Karina


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