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Hi All,

Looking for some information on the ancestors of Mary Ann Young and Richard Lucas (my 3xgreat grandparents). I know that she was born in Rotherhithe c1811 . I believe that the baptism from 1813 belongs to her although I haven't managed to prove it. The parents in that baptism are Thomas Young and Matilda Arnold Ruse. Mary had a daughter called Matilda (my 2x great grandmother) so this seems particularly likely. Mary married Richard Lucas on 23 Nov 1834 in St James. Bermondsey.

Richard Lucas was a sailmaker born c1811 in Rotherhithe or St John Horsleydowns, whose father was also Richard Lucas. I believe his is the baptism from May 1811 and that his parents were possibly Richard Lucas and Elizabeth Gummer (who married 1808 at St Marylebone). If anyone could help me confirm births for Mary Ann and Richard, it would be much appreciated.

Richard and Mary Ann had a daughter called Emma and I can't trace her beyond the 1881 census. She married Benjamin Boyer in 1873. Can anyone help with that?

Thanks
- Lucia

? query on his surname - could be Boyer on image

Name: Benjamin Boyes
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Spouse Name: Emma Lucas
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Aug 1873
Parish: Rotherhithe Christ Church
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Ballazar Boyes
Spouse Father Name: Richard Lucas
Register Type: Parish Register


Benjamin is a mariner



Have you looked at any possible baptisms for this couple

Is this Emma and Benjamin for reference?


1881 census transcription details for: 43, Gt Marylebone St, St Marylebone
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 138
Folio: 107
Page: 26
Reg. District: Marylebone
Sub District: Cavendish Square
Parish: St Marylebone
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 43, Gt Marylebone St, St Marylebone
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BOYER, Benjamin Head Married M 43 1838 Cabinetmaker Journeyman
Bradford, Wiltshire
BOYER, Emma Wife Married F 41 1840 Serv Domestic
Bath, Somerset
BOYER, Sarah E Daughter Single F 16 1865 Dressmaker
Bristol, Gloucestershire
BOYER, Francis H Son Single M 15 1866 Messenger Somerset House
Bristol, Gloucestershire
BOYER, Florence L Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Bristol, Gloucestershire
BOYER, Herbert W Son Single M 3 1878
Marylebone, Middlesex


EDIT No can't be if this is her in a census.



1871 census transcription details for: Union Rd, St Mary Rotherhithe
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 645
Folio: 136
Page: 11
Reg. District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: Rotherhithe
Parish: St Mary Rotherhithe
Enum. District: 22
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Union Rd, St Mary Rotherhithe
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
LUCAS, Richard Head M 60 1811 Surrey
LUCAS, Mary Ann Wife F 60 1811 Surrey
LUCAS, Emma Daughter F 29 1842 b Bermondsey Surrey
LUCAS, Matilda Daughter F 24 1847 Surrey
LUCAS, William Son M 23 1848 Surrey


Everyone born Rotherhithe except Emma, Born Bermondsey.

When and where was Emma born ?

1911 but no idea if relevant

Name: Emma Boyer
Age in 1911: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 101 Lisson Grove, Marylebone, London N W
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 47
Estimated Marriage Year: 1864
Registration district: St Marylebone
Registration District Number: 7
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 565
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Boyer 73
Emma Boyer 72
Angelina Davis 79
Sarah St George 69
Joseph Lloyd 65

1901 as Bowyer

Rule them out

1881 census transcription details for: 108, Evelyn Street, St Paul Deptford
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 706
Folio: 90
Page: 1
Reg. District: Greenwich
Sub District: St Paul Deptford
Parish: St Paul Deptford
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 108, Evelyn Street, St Paul Deptford
County: London, Kent
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
LUCAS, Richard Head Married M 69 1812 Sail Maker
Rotherthe, Surrey
LUCAS, Mary A Wife Married F 68 1813
Rotherthe, Surrey
BOYER, Emma Daughter Married F 38 1843 Husband At Sea
Rotherthe, Surrey

Ben's second marriage?


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Benjamin Boyer
Name: Benjamin Boyer, widower, mariner
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Spouse Name: Jessie Whattam
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Sep 1890
Parish: Rotherhithe All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Baltagar Boyer, mariner
Spouse Father Name: John Whattam
Register Type: Parish Register

Just in case it comes in useful

1871
Name: Baltazar Boyer
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Boyer
Gender: Male
Where born: St Dommings, United States
Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 642
Folio: 122
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Baltazar Boyer 75
Catherine Boyer 68
John Boyer 36
Elizabeth Boyer 7

Class: RG10; Piece: 642; Folio: 122; Page: 12; GSU roll: 818934.


1861 shows the children born in Belgium


Name: Balthazar Boyer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1792
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1877
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 205

This appears to be Jessie, widowed. What a shame, only months after she married.

1891 census transcription details for: 89, Albion Street, Rotherhithe
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 383
Folio: 43
Page: 13
Reg. District: St Olave Southwark
Sub District: Rotherhithe
Parish: Rotherhithe
Enum. District: 15
Ecclesiastical District: All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 89, Albion Street, Rotherhithe
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BOYET, Jessie Head Widow F 28 1863 Timber Divider
Rotherhithe, London


She did marry again quite quickly.



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about James Wiseman
Name: James Wiseman, cook
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Spouse Name: Jessie Boyer, widow of 89 Albion St
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 May 1891
Parish: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Arthur Wiseman, cabinetmaker
Spouse Father Name: John Whattam, labourer (dec)
Register Type: Parish Register

Wow. Thank you. That leads me to some clues. I guess that means they did not have any children, and it brings me closer to finding a record of a death for Emma Lucas.

I do not have a baptism for Emma Lucas. The only Lucas children I have christening details for are Richard George(1835) and Elizabeth Mary Ann (1837) - thanks to help on here. Their other children were Emma (c.1842), Sarah (c.1844), Matilda (1846), William (1847), John (1847), George (1850) and Mary (1859). All the children were born in Bermondsey or Rotherhithe.

Richard died at Rolt Street, Deptford on 18 Jul 1882. I don't know when Mary Ann died. How can I find out where Richard was buried?

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