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Anne, I do not know just how much to believe and that is why I am trying to prove/disprove whatever.

On Thomas marriage certificate 1855 on previous page it says that both Allan Mark and his wife Isabell are deceased.

On Helens marriage certificate it does NOT say that Adam Mark is deceased but that his wife Mary nee Phillips is.

On Janes marriage certificate 1862 to James Reid her age is 23yrs making year of birth 1839 which connects to the census both in Scotland and in Utah.


I dont want to give any untrue info and that is why I try to check on it.

Some of the info has bits that are correct but a lot more is sort of twisted around the truth but have found that before with many Lds info.

Helen married 1867 , father Adam Scott , mother Mary deceased



1851 Scotland Census about Adam Mark
Name: Adam Mark
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Mark
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotts, Lanark
Parish Number: 673
Civil parish: Whitburn
County: West Lothian
Address: Greenburn
Occupation: Iron Miner
ED: 6
Page: 43 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 150
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1851_174
Household Members:
Name Age
Adam Mark 32
Mary Mark 33
Isabella Mark 7
Alan Mark 4
Helen Mark 1



1861 Scotland Census about Adam Mark
Name: Adam Mark
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Mark
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotts, Lanark
Registration Number: 655
Registration district: Shotts
Civil parish: Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 24 Sommervilles Row
Occupation: Iron Miner
ED: 16
Household schedule number: 52
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1861_119
Household Members:
Name Age
Adam Mark 41
Mary Mark 43
Isabella Mark 17
Alan Mark 14
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ellen Mark 11
William Mark 8
Alexander Mark 4
Mary Mark 1


Mary (Adams wife) must have died 1861/1862c

Hi Moody Blue,
The info posted above looks right.
Allan Mark and Isobel Brown were both on the 1851 census but are not found after this.
Son Thomas Mark married in 1855 staing both parents deceased.
Therefore Allan and Isobel both died between 1851 and 1854.

Helen Mark daughter of Adam Mark and Mary Philip
This looks right too
Adam and Mary were both on the 1861 return,
Mary Mark maiden name Phillip died in Calderhead, Lanarkshire in 1863.
Adam and some children only appear in 1871.. (no Mary)

Therefore, when daughter Helen married George Scott in 1867, the info is correct.
Father still living and mother deaceased ( in 1863)

There are too many threads here and although relevant info is beng posted by us all, it is being missed in the long list

Anne

1871 Scotland Census about Adam Mark
Name: Adam Mark
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotts, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 673
Registration district: Whitburn
Civil parish: Whitburn
County: West Lothian
Address: No 53
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 48
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1871_153
Household Members:
Name Age
Adam Mark 51
William Mark 18
Alexander Mark 14
Mary Mark 11

Hi Anne......Good morning

What do you suggest we do to avoid confusion?

Yes Moody, that's the one from 1871 where NO wife in household and concurs with death of Mary in 1863
We were both posting our info at the same time

Anne

I am not entirely sure how to keep the thread without causing confusing.
confusion.

I have already found the 1877 marriage of Alexander Mark ( son of Adam with Mary Philip) he married Mary Jane Allan in 1877 and may have emigrated to Australia after 1881

Alexander Mark and Mary Jane Allan

1881 Scotland Census about Alexander Mark
Name: Alexander Mark
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Jane Mark
Gender: Male
Where born: Tollcross, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 673/2
Registration district: Fauldhouse
Civil parish: Whitburn
County: West Lothian
Address: 98 East Benhar
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 69
Line: 1
Roll: cssct1881_274
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Mark 24
Mary Jane Mark 22
Adam Mark 1

Edit:
Yes they definitely moved to Queensland, I can already see the births of their children from at least 1885 onwards.
Will put this family together and put on a single post tonight

Morning to Everyone,

Hope this does not make me appear thick, we have Walter married to Isabella Mark and we have George married to Helen Mark, so how do I update that information on my tree :-(

James

Ignore previous query, have just got this from Support at Genes Reunited:-

"Unfortunately it is not currently possible to link the same individual so they only appear once in your tree, eg you have cousins who married each other, or 2 sisters who married 2 brothers. You will need to add these in as separate individuals"

James

Alexander Mark b 1858. son of Adam Mark and Mary Philip
Alexander Mark married Mary Jane Allan in Mussellburgh in1877
(I don't have the marrige cert but it would be useful to find if father Adam was deased or not. Mother Mary Phillip definitely died in 1863)

Children
Adam Mark b 1880 ( on 1881 census Scotland)

Emigrated circa 1882/3

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Isabella Mark
Name: Isabella Mark
Birth Date: 16 Oct 1883
Father's Name: Alexander Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Allen
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1883
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 9216
Registration Number: 007771

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Margaret Mark
Name: Margaret Mark
Birth Date: 22 Dec 1885
Father's Name: Alexander Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Allen
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1886
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 9216
Registration Number: 004491

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about John Mark
Name: John Mark
Birth Date: 20 Jul 1887
Father's Name: Alexander Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Allen
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 9216
Registration Number: 005367



Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Alexander Mark
Name: Alexander Mark
Birth Date: 16 Mar 1889
Father's Name: Alexander Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Allen
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1889
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 9215
Registration Number: 005903

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Allan Mark
Name: Allan Mark
Birth Date: 7 Jan 1894
Father's Name: Alexander Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Allan
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1894
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 16188
Registration Number: 005981

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Annie Ellen Mark
Name: Annie Ellen Mark
Birth Date: 27 Jul 1895
Father's Name: Alexander Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Allan
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1895
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 16188
Registration Number: 006906


Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about William George Mark
Name: William George Mark
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1900
Father's Name: Alexander Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Allan
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1900
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 16191
Registration Number: 006734

Death of Isabella Mark b 1883....

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Isabella Mark
Name: Isabella Mark
Death Date: 27 Jun 1891
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: Alexander Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Allen
Registration Year: 1891
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 002291
Page Number: 16190



DEATH of Alexander Mark b 1889
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Alexander Mark
Name: Alexander Mark
Death Date: 22 May 1942
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: Alexander
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Allan
Registration Year: 1942
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 001952
Page Number: 1451

Death of John Mark b 1887
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about John Mark
Name: John Mark
Death Date: 12 Aug 1935
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: Alexander
Mother's Name: Mary Allen
Registration Year: 1935
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 003155
Page Number: 1172


Marriage and death of Mary Mark born ?
She may have been born in Scotland prior to emmigration as she married in 1898

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Mary Mark
Name: Mary Mark
Spouse Name: John McIntosh
Marriage Date: 26 Mar 1898
Marriage Place: Queensland
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Number: 001162
Page Number: 16190



Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Mary McIntosh
Name: Mary McIntosh
Death Date: 14 May 1912
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: Alexander Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Allen
Registration Year: 1912
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 002372
Page Number: 17151


AND finally...the death of Alexander Mark son of Adam Mark and Mary Phillip

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Alexander Mark
Name: Alexander Mark
Death Date: 13 Jul 1919
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: Adam Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Philips
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 004809
Page Number: 1248

Edit:
This is death of Mary Jane Mark maiden name Allan husband of Alexander Mark

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Mary Jane Mark
Name: Mary Jane Mark
Death Date: 5 Feb 1939
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: John Allan
Mother's Name: Mary Jane
Registration Year: 1939
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 000609
Page Number: 1172

Anne

Oh, extremely well done Anne!! What a good sleuth you are lol. :-)


Seriously.....Well done :-D

Excellent work Anne,

Have just updated all that Australian stuff to my tree.

Thanks,

James

Presently trying to sort out the Archibald connections to Mary Mark Archibald wife of James Russell Archibald, all very confusing with James having two wives at the same time

This link contains very accurate information on Mary Mark Archibald and James Russell Archibald

http://wwirwin.com/genealogy/brown/23.html

Calling it a day now,

Goodnight All,

James

James,
I found a bit more info:
Family of Alexander Mark and Mary Jane Allan
They arrived in Townsville, Queensland, Australia on 24 Oct 1883 aboard the
Eastern Monarch from Glasgow
The party consisted of Alexander, his wife Mary Jane, son Adam age3, and daughter Mary age1 ( guessed she was Scots born)

EDIT: MARY MARK was born 8 SEP 1881 FAULDHOUSE, WEST LOTHIAN

Interesting:
Look at the dob for the 1st Australian born child Isabella.
16 Oct 1883 !
This child must have been born en route, 8 days prior to arrival.
The birth was registered in Queensland but does no neccessarily mean she was born there.
( I have a birth in my own tree registered in NSW. but I also have the birth record ....Place of birth "Atlantic Ocean")

Son Adam b 1880 definitely arrived in Australia with his family.
There is no trace of him on any Australian electoral roll, nor can I find a death?

Daughter Margaret b 1885 was married to someone called Palmer but I cannot find a marriage for her

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Margaret Palmer
Name: Margaret Palmer
Death Date: 13 May 1958
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: Alexander Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Allen
Registration Year: 1958
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 001941
Page Number: 1973

When I found Alexander and Mary Jane on Australian Electoral rolls they lived in Kennedy, Queensland

Son Allan b 1894.
I am certain that his is his marriage.
This couple lived in Kennedy Queensland
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Allan Mark
Name: Allan Mark
Spouse Name: Margaret Elizabeth Nina Wharton
Marriage Date: 5 Oct 1912
Marriage Place: Queensland
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1912
Registration Number: 001949
Page Number: 16188

Son Alexander Mark b 1889
This couple also lived in Kennedy

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Elizabeth Thomas
Name: Elizabeth Thomas
Spouse Name: Alexander Mark
Marriage Date: 13 Jun 1914
Marriage Place: Queensland
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Number: 001842
Page Number: 25851

I am fairly certain that John Mark 1887 -1935 was unmarried.


Children of Mary Mark and John McIntosh

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about John Alexander McIntosh
Name: John Alexander McIntosh
Birth Date: 9 Oct 1902
Father's Name: John McIntosh
Mother's Name: Mary Mark
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 17149
Registration Number: 006781

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Allen Walter McIntosh
Name: Allen Walter McIntosh
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1906
Father's Name: John McIntosh
Mother's Name: Mary Mark
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 17139
Registration Number: 006810


Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Mary Jane McIntosh
Name: Mary Jane McIntosh
Birth Date: 29 Apr 1910
Father's Name: John McIntosh
Mother's Name: Mary Mark
Birth Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1910
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 17151
Registration Number: 006692


Anne

If your illegible certificate is from ScotlandsPeople contact them & they should send you a paper copy or at least read the original & give you a name.They are very helpful with this sort of thing.

James I don't know how this posted on this thread I refer to your maiden name of Elizabeth Anne Scott.Scott is one of my main lines & I know what a nightmare they can be.

Morning Anne,

Thanks for the update on Australia, I have added these to my tree

Regards,

James

Hi Jeannette,

Because I am researching the ancestors of my grandmother whose maiden name was Elizabeth Anne Scott born c1890 who married a James Clusker born 1893, and yes a bit of a nightmare :-)

James

Morning James.

This thread is getting more complicated as we go along..

I looked athe Irwin link you posted and it just doesnt make sense to me

"Marriage (1): Jane Mark on 1 Dec 1866 in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA then
Marriage (2): Mary Mark on 7 Jan 1857 "

How can the date of the 2nd marriage be earlier than the first..??

That being said I have been chasing after the PA Sagar's and have had some slight success..and a couple of nightmares after finding some Scots Sagars .."Samuel and Eliz".in the same area as Samuel and Malinda....its as well we had the 1900 Cenus with Ann E Scott to clarify we were on the right track or it may have been the case of screaming and yelling back to the drawing board.

The 1910 Census PA shows Malinda (Wid) living with her g daughter Jennie Miller (16).

Jennie is the daughter of Phillip Miller (1874 Germany) and Angeline Sagar (1877 PA)

Phillip (Coalminer) and Angeline married in 1894...The 1900 Census shows them living in Elizabeth Twp.

Remember the Henry Glancey and Mary Ann Glancey ( ?Clusker) who were witness' on the MC.

Well I found a Henry Glancey who travelled out to his brother James 1923 living 93 Mary Street NJ..
Henry was aged 36yrs married and a Bricklayer he was still there without his wife 1930..
On the Ship's manifest (The Celtic) he gave his wife as "Helen" Glancey living New Stenhouse Street C/Beath

Dont know if he was the same Henry who married Mary Ann Clusker beath 1910..??