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4358 Pte Fish Herbert. Home at N Ormesby, Middlesbrough, N Yorks, town of enlistment. Killed in action. Commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial.

Private Herbert Fish. 4358. 4th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment. Killed 7 November 1916.
Enlisted Middlesbrough, Resided North Ormesby.


(just the above coming up on google, for that Herbert Fish Thiepval)


Do you have his Marriage Cert.?...might help with finding him on Census with Fathers name, and possible siblings, maybe...

Chris :)

Hi All,

Many thanks for all your responses. Herbert Fish was born on Sculcoates, Yorks and is indeed listed on the Theipval Memorial. I am aware of his marriage to Annie Bright, my grandmother who later married again to Alfred Nason in Sculcoates. I am trying to find any relations of Herbert Fish who is the only person of this family name in my tree.

Regards and thanks again

That 1918 birth is a bit suspect if Herbert died 1916 ???

We need Peter to come back and confirm what he knows of his mother's siblings (if any).

The family are in Hull by 1901:

FISH, Charles Head Married M 33 1868 Grocer Shop Keeper Barrow on Humber, Lincolnshire
FISH, Mary Wife Married F 31 1870 Ottringham, Yorkshire
FISH, Herbert Son Single M 11 1890 Barrow on Humber, Lincolnshire
FISH, Walter Son Single M 9 1892 New Holland, Lincolnshire
FISH, Lelias Daughter Single F 5 1896 Hull, Yorkshire

Piece: 4482 Folio: 10 Page: 11
Registration District: Sculcoates
Civil Parish: Sculcoates

Address: 55, Church Street, Sculcoates, Kingston Upon Hull County: Yorkshire (East riding)

another possible birth for them

Birth Record Name Iris Bright
Year of Registration 1918
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District West Ham
Registration County Essex
Mother's maiden name Bright
Volume Number 4A
Volume Page 62

So, if the death record is correct (and the wife's name does match) then this would be the 1891:

FISH, Charles Head Married M 23 1868 Locomotive Fireman Barrow-On-Humber, Lincolnshire
FISH, Mary Wife Married F 21 1870 Otteringham, Yorkshire
FISH, Herbert Son M 2 1889 Barrow-On-Humber, Lincolnshire

Piece: 2629 Folio: 153 Page: 2
Registration District: Glanford Brigg
Civil Parish: Barrow upon Humber

Address: 4, Alma Terrace, Barrow Road, Barrow Upon Humber, New Holland County: Lincolnshire

Everything seems to match up with the records Chris & I found except his birth year which is shown as 1888 and not the 1883 that Peter stated.

http://www.walthamstowwarmemorial.co.uk/_table1_view.php?editid1=594

(above link related with 1916 War Death (8451) posted by MC)

Chris :)

1911 Census Household RecordHousehold information
Address 46 Albert Street Eccles
Parish Eccles
Town Eccles
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 8
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN23591 RG78PN1375 RD463 SD2 ED8 SN23
Administrative County Lancashire
Registration District Barton Upon Irwell
Registration Sub District Barton
Enumeration District 8

Householder 1
Name Martin Fish
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 64
Estimated Year of Birth 1847
Occupation Retired Butcher
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Eccles Lancashire

Householder 2
Name Elizabeth Fish
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 42 Years
Total Children Born Alive 8
Children Still Living 7
Children Who Have Died 1
Gender F
Age 68
Estimated Year of Birth 1843
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Northwich Cheshire

Householder 3
Name Martin Fish
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 27
Estimated Year of Birth 1884
Occupation School Master Assistant
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Council School
Place of Birth Eccles Lancashire

Householder 4
Name Herbert Fish
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 24
Estimated Year of Birth 1887
Occupation Bank Clerk
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Eccles Lancashire

Householder 5
Name Florence Jane Eidsforth
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married Married / 3 Years
Total Children Born Alive 1
Children Still Living 1
Gender F
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1882
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Eccles Lancashire

Householder 6
Name Ronald Eidsforth
Relationship to Head of Household Grandson
Gender M
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1908
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Prestwich Lancashire

1901 Census Household RecordHousehold information
Address 46 Church St
Civil Parish Eccles
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet Eccles
Ecclesiastical Parish Eccles S Marys
Parliamentary Borough or Division Of S E Lancs
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Eccles
Administrative County Lancaster

Householder 1
Name Edwd Fish
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 26
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Butcher
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Eccles
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Elizth Fish
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 57
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Cheshire Northwich
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Florence Fish
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 19
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Assistant Teacher
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Eccles
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name Herbt Fish
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 14
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Eccles
Language
Infirmity

Householder 5
Name Martin Fish
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 17
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Pupil Teacher
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Eccles
Language
Infirmity

Householder 6
Name Martin Fish
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 54
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Butcher
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Eccles
Language
Infirmity

Householder 7
Name Thos A Fish
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 27
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Mechanical Engineer
Employment Status
Where Born Lanc Eccles
Language
Infirmity

1891 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 46, Church Street
Parish Barton Upon Irwell
District Barton Upon Irwell, Barton
Administrative County Lancashire

Householder 1
Name Martin Fish
Age 44
Estimated Year of Birth 1847
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Butcher
Birth Place Eccles
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 2
Name Elizabeth Fish
Age 48
Estimated Year of Birth 1843
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Northwich
Birth County Cheshire

Householder 3
Name Ada Fish
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1870
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation
Birth Place Eccles
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 4
Name Thomas A Fish
Age 17
Estimated Year of Birth 1874
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Butchers Assistant
Birth Place Eccles
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 5
Name Edward Fish
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Butchers Assistant
Birth Place Eccles
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 6
Name Elizabeth Fish
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1878
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Eccles
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 7
Name Florence J Fish
Age 9
Estimated Year of Birth 1882
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Eccles
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 8
Name Martin Fish
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1884
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Eccles
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 9
Name Herbert Fish
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1887
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Eccles
Birth County Lancashire

Householder 10
Name Annie Wood
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1875
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation General Servant Domestic
Birth Place Liverpool
Birth County Lancashire

I think this death is more likely and shows the North/South connection:

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Herbert Fish
Birth Place: Barrow-on-humber, Lincs
Residence: Walthamstow, Essex
Death Date: 2 Oct 1916
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Hull
Rank: L/Corporal
Regiment: Coldstream Guards
Number: 8451
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Comments: M.M.

Is this him ?

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Births Sep 1883 -

FISH Herbert - Sculcoates 9d 193





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Marriages Mar 1914

BRIGHT Annie- Fish - Sculcoates 9d 266
Fish Herbert - Bright - Sculcoates 9d 266

Marriage Record Name Herbert Fish
Year of Marriage 1914
Quarter of Marriage Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Sculcoates
Registration County Yorkshire
Spouse's Surname Bright
Volume Number 9D
Volume Page 266

Spouse Match: Herbert FISH married Annie BRIGHT

Name Annie Bright
Year of Marriage 1914
Quarter of Marriage Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District Sculcoates
Registration County Yorkshire
Spouse's Surname Fish
Volume Number 9D
Volume Page 266

Their marriage:

Marriages Mar 1914 (>99%)
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BRIGHT Annie Fish Sculcoates 9d 266
Fish Herbert Bright Sculcoates 9d 266

Birth Record Name Gladys A Fish
Year of Registration 1915
Quarter of Registration Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District West Ham
Registration County Essex
Mother's maiden name Bright
Volume Number 4A
Volume Page 854

Have you looked in Search Trees to see if he features in someone's line ?

Have you got his birth cert to see who his parents were ? ( there are a few Herbert Fishs born 1882 /83 )

Where was your mother born? This is the only Gladys A. Mother's maiden name is Bright:

Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
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FISH Gladys A Bright W. Ham. 4a 854

Is this his death?

FISH, HERBERT

Rank: Private
Service No: 6866
Date of Death: 15/02/1916
Age: 29
Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment "C" Coy. 16th Bn.
Grave Reference Screen Wall.
Cemetery MANCHESTER SOUTHERN CEMETERY

Additional Information:

Son of the late Martin and Elizabeth Fish, of Eccles. Alternative Commemoration - buried in Eccles (St. Mary The Virgin) Churchyard.


Or this one?

FISH, HERBERT

Rank: Private
Service No: 4358
Date of Death: 07/11/1916
Regiment/Service: Yorkshire Regiment 4th Bn.
Panel Reference Pier and Face 3 A and 3 D.
Memorial THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

Additional Information:

EDIT: Have posted what I think is a better option below.

Hello Peter, are you trying to trace descendants, ancestors or siblings? (Or all of those!)

Born 1883 where?