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Yes thats correct Rootgatherer and Anne, I've nearly got it sorted in both trees (on ancestry as well) . I'm actually chasing the Hendersons just now for a friend who thinks that my wife family and them are connected in some way.

Ian

Hi Rootgatherer,
Ian got a wee bit mixed up on his opening thread.
I suspect he was given correct info without actual dates and incorrectly assumed that Margaret Naismith Bruce b 1875 was the person in question, ( ie married Alexander Henderson)

The person he was referring to was actually the grand daughter from his opening thread.
William Bruce and Margaret Naismith
son William b 1876 married Susan Campbell in 1899
William and Susan had a daughter MARGARET NAISMITH BRUCE but she wasn't born until 1907... and it was definitely SHE who married Alexander Henderson in Edinburgh in 1936!

Anne

Your heading is Margaret Naismith Bruce born 13 April 1875. She was born in Larkhall but doesn't appear with her family on the 1881 census.

She died 19 March 1876 aged 1 year at 3 Drygate Street..

Thanks all, I'll delve through the details and get back.

Chris I've sent an email to you.

Regards

Ian

Dalserf, Lanark area. I have a Robert Bruce marrying a Margaret Naismith, in Dalserf, on 30Dec 1859; they later moved to Shotts, Lanark (where Robert was a grocer and spirit merchant),& they had 7 known children. Margaret Naismith was the daughter of John Naismith, a baker, and Helen McNare, both of Dalserf


(above might be useful, from an old query below!)


http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.scotland.lks.general/2235.2275/mb.ashx

Chris :)

William Bruce and Susan Campbell married in SHOTTS in 1899.
You would need to obtain the marriage cert, but I think this is Susan with her family in 1891

1891 Scotland Census about Susan Campbell
Name: Susan Campbell
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Thomas Campbell
Mother's Name: Janet Campbell
Gender: Female
Where born: Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 655/3
Registration district: Shotts Western District
Civil parish: Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Spindleside Cot
Occupation: Pupil Teacher
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 21
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1891_322
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Campbell 61 , Colliery Manager. Born Fossoway, Perthshire
Janet Campbell 52 born Dunfermline, Fife
Janet Campbell 25
Alexander Campbell 21
Agnes Campbell 18
Susan Campbell 15
Jenny Donaldson 11
Robert Donaldson 9
Thomas Lennox 8


EDIT
Margaret Naismith Bruce born in Colinton, Edinburgh in 1907.
Pretty certain she would be the daughter of William Bruce and Susan Campbell.
Peggy is a version of Margaret

Alexander Henderson and Margaret Naismith Bruce married in Morningside, Edinburgh (Midlothian) in 1936
Their son's birth cert will not be available to view online


Anne

I would say this was William's family.


1891 census transcription details for: Bellside Bldgs, Shotts
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 655
Folio: 3
Page: 9
Reg. District: West Shotts
Sub District:
Parish: Shotts
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bellside Bldgs, Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BRUCE, Robert Head Married M 49 1842 Grocer & Spirit Merchant
Larkhall, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Margaret Wife Married F 48 1843
Larkhall, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Helen Daughter Unmarried F 27 1864
Larkhall, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Elizabeth F Daughter Unmarried F 19 1872
Larkhall, Lanarkshire
>>BRUCE, William Son Unmarried M 18 1873 Cellarman
Larkhall, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Alexr Son M 13 1878 Scholar
Shotts, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Robert W Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Shotts, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Marion Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Shotts, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Jeanie Daughter F 2 1889
Shotts, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Robert Grandson M 10 1881 Scholar
Shotts, Lanarkshire



1901 census transcription details for: Bellside Buildings, Carlisle Road, Shotts
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 655
Folio: 318
Page: 21
Reg. District: West District of Shotts
Sub District:
Parish: Shotts
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bellside Buildings, Carlisle Road, Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BRUCE, Robert Head Married M 60 1841 Grocer & Spirit Merchant
Larkhall, Lanark
BRUCE, Margaret N Wife Married F 59 1842
Larkhall, Lanark
BRUCE, Helen Daughter Single F 37 1864
Larkhall, Lanark
BRUCE, Elizabeth F Daughter Single F 29 1872
Larkhall, Lanark
BRUCE, Alex Son Single M 23 1878 Bricklayer
Shotts, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Marion Daughter Single F 16 1885
Shotts, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Jeanie Daughter Single F 12 1889 Scholar
Shotts, Lanarkshire

thanks Sylvia

Ian


I think you need to get your information from Scotland's People


It is a pay per view site (no subscriptions) ....... and you can do a search for free, then buy credits if you see an entry that looks of interest.


Only there will you get the true information on birth, marriage and death dates.

As well as the full census.




Also ....... never trust the trees on ancestry. Far too many people add information without checking whether it is correct or even applies to their person. They see the little "green leaf" tip from ancestry, and assume that it MUST be correct. However, the leaf tips are just that ........ TIPS.



sylvia

Thanks for the info, I was a member but can't remember the user name and password but I'll go into it very soon.

Ian

Hi Ian,

William and Susan's births may have been mistranscribed. He could well be 28 and she could be 23 but we are unable to view the actual image for Scottish records. To do that, you need to buy credits for scotlandspeople and view the image through them.

You can also access the Scottish 1911 to see if Peggy or any other child has been born by then, but again, you need credits.

Also everything Sylvia has said in the previous post is absolutely correct.

Ian


years of birth on any census can be up to 2 years out, either way


and on the 1841, they can be as much as 4 years too early .... that's because the enumerators on the 1841 were supposed to round down the age of all people over the age of 15 to the nearest 5.


On all other censuses, the differences are due to the fact that people gave their age, and then the modern day transcriber had to translate the age into estimated year of birth.

The age of the person depends on when the census was taken vs the actual birth date .................. someone whose birthday was the day after the census would appear to be 1 year younger.



so never, ever, take the birth year from a census as absolute .... always add +/- 2 years.



That could explain the difference between Susan's apparent birth year on the census vs the information in your family bible.



Let's not get into the problem of people who gave their wrong age .............. either out of vanity; because they did not want to appear too much older or younger than their spouse; or because they honestly did not know how old they were! :-D




sylvia

Hi,
Thanks for the info,
the only trouble is that we have the family bible and its written in there that William was born 24th Feb 1873 and Susan born 1874.
They were of money and indeed its remembered by my m-in-law about the spirit link.

Well here are Peggy's parents so her birth is after 1901.

1901 census transcription details for: Carrie Muir End, Lanark Road, Colinton


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 677
Folio: 5
Page: 20
Reg. District: Colinton
Sub District:
Parish: Colinton
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: Colinton
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Carrie Muir End, Lanark Road, Colinton
County: Midlothian
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BRUCE, William Head Married M 22 1879 Spirit Merchant
Larkhall, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Susan Wife Married F 25 1876
Newarthill, Lanarkshire
BRUCE, Robert Son M 0 (9 MONTHS) 1901
Colinton, Midlothian
BEYBIE, Jeanie Servant Single F 25 1876 General Servant Domestic
Hawick, Roxburghshire

Right I now think I've got the right one.

Its Peggy Bruce daughter of William Bruce 1873-1935 Larkhall, Lanarkshire, and Susan Campbell 1874-1950,
Peggy no dates unfortunately, married Alexander Henderson and had the son Bruce Henderson .

Ian

No problem Ian :-)

Do you want to give us the correct 'Margaret' and we'll see what we can dig up

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Hi Gins,

I must apologize, i was given the wrong Margaret, I'll triple check details

Ian

Ian, have you actually looked up that marriage on Scotland's People to check that it is the right one? http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

When is it supposed to have happened?

Margaret Bruce isn't a very unusual name .......

Margaret Bruce
Scotland Census, 1891
birth: 1875 Lanarkshire
residence: 1891 Plantation,? Lanarkshire,? Scotland


name: Margaret Bruce
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Female
age: 16
birthplace: Lanarkshire
registration district: Plantation
county: Lanarkshire
estimated birth year: 1875

Margaret Bruce
Scotland Census, 1881
birth: 1875 Lanarkshire
residence: 1881 Kinning Park,? Lanarkshire,? Scotland


name: Margaret Bruce
event type: Census
event date: 1881
gender: Female
age: 6
birthplace: Lanarkshire
registration district: Kinning Park
county: Lanarkshire
estimated birth year: 1875

Hi Ian

What is it you want help with?

Do you have a birth date/place for her son Bruce?

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