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Hi Catherine,

Thank you soo much for this information, thats such a fantastic breakthough.

Julie

Julie,
If you send me your address by pm I'll send you the original copy of the record and, if you don't speak french and need it translating I will be pleased to translate it and send a copy of that to you too.
Regards
Catherine

Hi Julie,
Just received the birth record from Le Raincy.

Father's name is Octave Barat aged 29yrs
(makes date of birth abt.1877)
Occupation:- Manouvrier (this is someone who works with his hands doing jobs on a daily bases)
Child born:- at home.
Address:- 19 Allée des Espalier, Le Raincy
Time of birth:- 2:30 in the morning
Date:- 26th February 1906
Birth was registered:- 26th February 1906 at 3:00pm
Mother's name:- Gabrielle ( possibly Victoria but more likey) Victorise or Victorine PETARD.
She is also noted as being his wife so the child is noted as being Legitimate.
Mother's age:- 20yrs
(makes date of birth abt. 1886)
Occupation: Housewife
...............................................................................................................................................

Also noted on the doucument are the details of the marriage of Héléne Octavie BARAT

Married at :- Herstal, Belgium
Date:- 8th October 1927
Spouse: ARKWRIGHT Charles Richard
Underneath there is also noted:- Le Raincy 17 December 1930 and is signed The Mayor.

(In France when you are born the birth is registered at the Town Hall of the town where the birth took place. When the person marries you have to notify the Town Hall where the birth was registered so that the date and place of the marriage can be noted on the birth record. The same thing when the person dies, so this is probably the date of which the Town Hall was notified of the marriage.)

Hello Catherine,

Thank you for all your help, very much appreciated. Lets hope they find something.

Regards,

Morning Julie,
Have contacted the Town Hall and they have asked me to send my request by post or e-mail, which I have done.
Just have to wait now to see what turns up. Don't know how long it will take all depends on how busy they are.
Will let you know as soon as I hear anything.
Regards
Catherine

Hi Julie,
Sorry, had to leave to get the dinner ready.
No I don't mind ringing as I live in France. Le Raincy is on the East side of Paris and I live on the West side so not a million miles away.
As her birth date is noted on the death record, then it shouldn't be too difficult for them to track it down as long as she was born in Le Raincy.
Anyway, I'll give it a go tomorrow and let you know what happens.
Regards
Catherine

Thank you all for the fantastic response.

Helene is my husbands great grandmother, and appears to be a mystery in the family, very little appears to be know of her. I am aware Helens mother remarried to be renhart, but that is it as regards to what information I have.

Catherine, are you sure you do not mind ringing - that is a big cost to you. Could I reimburse you for this?

Thank you again.

Julie

Mairie
121 av Résistance
93340 RAINCY (LE)
Itinéraire
01 43 02 42 00

(for your information, this place is now in Seine Saint Denis and not Seine and Oise)

for an Acte de naissance less than 100 yrs old you can make a demand on line but for the others the demand must be made to the Mairie.

If you don't speak french would you like me to do it for you?
I would be more than willing to give them a ring for you tomorrow to see if they can find anything?

From another source:-

BARAT, Helene Octavie b: Feb. 29 1906 in Le Raincy Seine & Oise France d: March 30, 1983 in 186 Oak St. Abingdon Co Oxford

her full death record
Name: Helene Octavie Arkwright
Birth Date: 26 Feb 1906
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1983
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Abingdon
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 20
Page: 2498

may be wortyh getting the cert to see who the informant was

I can confirm that Octavie is a christian name of latin origin.

If you are looking for a copy of her birth certificate then you should know that they do not exist in France.

What you need to ask for is :-

(une copie intégrale ou un extrait avec filiation d'une Acte de naissance.)

To get a copy you need to make the demand to the Mairie (Town Hall) where the person was born.
In France this is free of charge and the copy will usually give you lots more info than you get in England so a great source of info for your research if you can get hold of a copy.
It will give the name of her father and his occupation and his age and place of birth, and they sometimes give his parents names and places of birth.
The same for her mother.
However, you do need to be a direct descendant of the person to be able to order a copy.

Reggie thank you for this.

The tree on ancestry is owned by:-

Owner: veronicarobinson19

but she doesn't have any other info on Helene, however, she does have a lovely wedding photo.

Ocatvie is almost certainly a second forename............English version Octavia

Sorry I was not clear, Helene's name do you believe "Octavie" is a middle name or part of her family name/surname?

Thank you for your help.

Do you have access to French records to trace Helen's parents?

Her husband ?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Frederick Charles Richard Arkwright
Name: Frederick Charles Richard Arkwright
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1901
Baptism Date: 14 Jul 1901
Father's Name: Frederick Arkwright
Mother's Name: Ellen Arkwright
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St George the Martyr
Borough: Wandsworth
Register Type: Parish Registers

..............also died Oxfordshire so could very well be him:-

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Frederick Charles R Arkwright
Name: Frederick Charles R Arkwright
Birth Date: 23 Jun 1901
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1982
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Abingdon
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 20
Page: 2411

I got the name through family, and have found death records, but struggling with birth.

Catherine - thank you fo this, can you confirm if Octavie is a middle name or family name please, as this may help in my search.

Appreciate help.

for info:-

Helene Octavie Barat
My family tree
BIRTH: 29/02/1906 - Oise, France
MARRIAGE: 8 Oct 1927 - Herstal, Liege, Belgium
DEATH: 30 Mar 1983 - Oxford (Oxfordshire)
SPOUSE: Frederick Charles R Arkwright

How did you find the name?

Have you tried googling for sites with French BMD records?

I am struggling to research Helene's family, can anyone direct me to a good site to help please? Helene Octavie Barat born 1906 in France, Osie & La Raincy area I understand. Had siblings I am told Simone and Louise but I cannot find a trace of these or Helene's parents.

Thank you