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I have been trying, without success, to find something on Lilian Dorothy parsons who married my Uncle Frederick George prescott Twigg in 1926. I have the marriage certificate and it has as 2 of the witnesses a F. Parsons and an L. Parsons, It also states Lily's father as being a Frederick Parsons Retired Naval officer. I bought the death registration of Lilian Dorothy, and her son had put her date of birth as 18th June 1904 in London. I have not been able to find anything of them om the 1911 census. I have also sent for 2 birth registrations both wrong ones, I would just like to be able to get a lead on the family so I can finish off the line.

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Person: PARSONS, Lily
Address: 8 Swancombe St Canning Town E
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PARSONS, Frederick J Head Married M 30 1881 Lihgterman Essex Leytonstone VIEW
PARSONS, Emma Wife Married10 years F 29 1882 Essex Plaistow VIEW
PARSONS, Lily Daughter F 8 1903 School Essex West Ham VIEW
PARSONS, Frederick Son M 6 1905 School London Limehouse VIEW
PARSONS, William Son M 1 1910 Essex West Ham VIEW
HALL, Thomas Nephew Single M 23 1888 General - Labourer Essex West Ham VIEW

Naval Officer....ummmm If it is her maybe it sounded better :-D

There is this birth

Births Jun 1901 (>99%)
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PARSONS Lilian Dorothy W. Ham 4a 239

Her marriage is recorded as Lily, not Lillian, and she may have lied about her age - there's this possible birth:

Births Sep 1907 (>99%)
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PARSONS Lily Dorothy Paddington 1a 27

Which births have you already eliminated?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Lilian Dorothy Twigg
Name: Lilian Dorothy Twigg
Birth Date: 18 Jun 1904
Date of Registration: Nov 1995
Age at Death: 91
Registration district: Waltham Forest
Inferred County: London
Register Number: C51
District and Subdistrict: 2551C
Entry number: 206

Oh dear, what a mess I have with Lily Dorothy Parsons nee Twigg. I have got her death certificate which states here date of birth as 18th June 1904, this informationn was submitted by her son. I did finally receive a smidgen of information from the family her father, Frederick was suppsed to have been in they Navy but in 1946/1947 he was supposed to have been a professional Boxer. Her son says the name was Lilian with one "l", but there is nothing. I have bought one Lillian Dorothy Parsons born 1907, and one for a Daffodil Dorothy Parsons born 1904, both wrong.. Bev

Beverley


Most of the information on a death certificate is "hearsay".


The informant does not have to provide documentation to prove anyhting that he/she says.


If the dead person had told porkies, then .......................



It is also very common for the YEAR of birth to be wrong ........................ people would celebrate their birthday on the correct day, but maybe not be quite as truthful about the year.




sylvia

Not only can the dates be incorrect...her name may be wrong also.

There are quite a few Lily parsons births, but only a couple with the middle name Dorothy

My grandmother married using two middle names of Gertrude and Ellen...it turns out her middle name was Mary...she only found out when she needed a copy of her birth cert for a passport or something 50+ years later

so is this the one you purchased which would match the place of the marriage more ...although she did die in Wathamstow which came under West Ham when she was born

Births Sep 1907 (>99%)
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PARSONS Lily Dorothy Paddington 1a 27

How old did she say she was when she married?

Lily born 1904 and her dad Frederick in 1946 was a proffesional boxer?

I think maybe he would have been too old at that point to be a boxer.

She was down as age 21 on 1926 marriage.

Maryb

It is getting worse and worse. I am only going by what her son has passed on via his daughter in law. Unfortunately he does not have a birth certificarte, ana all I have is the marriage certificate the marriage in 1926, with FrederickParsons retired Naval officer as her father. Her son told his daughter in law that he was in the Navy and was a pro boxer in 1946/47, as you say he would have been far too old for boxing at that stage, as he would have had to have been born in the 1870/80s for her to have been born in 1904. I have sent for the Liliam born in 1901, as she may have put her age wrong, either up or down, She had her age as 21 at the time of marriage. I know my uncle only hung around until the son was old enough to looke after himself, then left. As my uncle died in 1980, there is just no way I can get correct information, and when someone is not interested it makes it harder for those who are. Bev

found this page on Google ......


http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=43210&cat=boxer

copied it over!!!


Seaman Fred Parsons
Global ID 43210
sex male
division heavyweight
country United Kingdom
residence Brighton, Sussex, United Kingdom
won 0 (KO 0) + lost 5 (KO 3) + drawn 0 = 5
rounds boxed 32 KO% 0

biography



there is nothing under biography






sylvia

and also .......


http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=469997&cat=boxer


Fred Parsons
Global ID 469997
sex male
division super featherweight
country Australia
residence New South Wales, Australia
won 1 (KO 0) + lost 0 (KO 0) + drawn 0 = 1
rounds boxed 2 KO% 0


note his residence on the one above



www.fightsrec.com/fred-parsons.html

Fred Parsons
Global ID 469997
sex male
division super featherweight
country Australia
residence New South Wales, Australia
won 1 (KO 0) + lost 0 (KO 0) + drawn 0 = 1
rounds boxed 2 KO% 0

Date Lb Opponent Lb wld last 6 Location Result Rounds Schedrounds
1. 1946.01.10 127 Bill Murphy 129 0-1-0 L Leichhardt Stadium, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia W(DQ) 2 10




SOOOO .... there was a Fred Parsons who fought as a super featherweight in 1946 in Australia


and there was ALSO a Fred Parsons, Seaman, who fought in England



I do NOT think the one who fought in 1946 is YOUR Fred!



I also found a reference to a Vintage Boxing Magazine, dated 1911, sold on EBay in 2011 .............. and Fred Parsons is one of the boxers named.






sylvia

Thank you for the information re Fred Parsons. I will look into it and see what I can turn up. As I said all I have is family hearesay, so don't know what is correct, which does make it hard. Bev

Another wrong Lilian Dorothy Parsons. I sent for the one born in Essex, in the hope, but again another wrong one. Will give her a break, as it is costing me money buying all the wrong ones. Many thanks for all the help you have all given me. I do appreciate it Bev