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Hi,

I am having trouble following James Liddell/Liddle B.1845ish. I know he married Isabella Gould and that they also had a son james B.1874c. I am getting into a mucking fuddle with these two. James B.1874 is my mother in laws grandfather marrying a Theresa Wood. But James 1845 marrying Isabella I am having problems, i cant find him on census' before 1871. Or how many children he had with Isabella. They were born in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire I believe. Around the Catshill area at times.

is there a genius out there who can unravel the 'cock-up' (excuse me) I seem to have made for myself. :-S :-S

As usual I am very grateful to everyone who looks at this posting and to people who reply,

Belinda. :-D

for ref this one???

Marriages Mar 1870 (>99%)
Crawford Thomas Bromsgrove 6c 449
DUDLEY Harriett Bromsgrove 6c 449
Gold Isabella Bromsgrove 6c 449
Liddell James Bromsgrove 6c 449

1881
LIDDELL, James Head Married M 36 1845 Nailer
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW
LIDDELL, Isabella Wife Married F 30 1851 Nailer
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW
LIDDELL, Ann Daughter Single F 11 1870
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW
LIDDELL, James Son Single M 7 1874
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW
LIDDELL, Allia Daughter Single F 4 1877
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW
BROOMFIELD, Ann Grandmother Widow F 76 1805
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW

Is this James ans Isabella in the 1881 census:-

1881 census transcription details for: Green Lane, Bromsgrove

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 2939
Folio: 97
Page: 29
Reg. District: Bromsgrove
Sub District: Bromsgrove
Parish: Bromsgrove
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Green Lane, Bromsgrove
County: Worcestershire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

LIDDELL, James Head Married M 36 1845 Nailer
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire
LIDDELL, Isabella Wife Married F 30 1851 Nailer
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire
LIDDELL, Ann Daughter Single F 11 1870
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire
LIDDELL, James Son Single M 7 1874
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire
LIDDELL, Allia Daughter Single F 4 1877
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire
BROOMFIELD, Ann Grandmother Widow F 76 1805
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire

Kath. x

1851
DELVES, William Head Married M 39 1812 Nailor
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW
DELVES, Sarah Wife Married F 39 1812 Nailor
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW
DELVES, Isabella I Daughter F 13 1838 Scholar
Oldswinford, Worcestershire VIEW
DELVES, William Son M 9 1842 Scholar
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW
DELVES, Henry Son M 0 (10 MOS) 1851
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW
LIDDELL, Mary Lodger Unmarried F 24 1827 Nailor
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW
LIDDELL, James Lodger M 4 1847
Bromsgrove, Worcestershire VIEW

Piece: 2047

Folio: 390

Page: 15

Registration District: Bromsgrove

Civil Parish: Bromsgrove

Municipal Borough:

Address: Five Ways Lane, Bromsgrove

County: Worcestershire

Name: James Liddell
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 25 Jul 1847
Baptism/Christening Place: Bromsgrove, Worcester, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Liddell
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03752-7
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 321130
Reference Number: 119

James, jnr.'s marriage:-

MarriageFinder: Theresa Wood married James Liddle
Name: WOOD, Theresa
Registration district: Bromsgrove
County: Worcestershire
Year of registration: 1896
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6C
Page no: 602

Name: LIDDLE, James
Registration district: Bromsgrove
County: Worcestershire
Year of registration: 1896
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6C
Page no: 602

Kath. x

1841
LIDDELL, Ann F 30 1811 Worcestershire VIEW
LIDDELL, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Worcestershire VIEW
LIDDELL, Mary F 14 1827 Worcestershire VIEW

Piece: 1195

Book/Folio: 5/16

Page: 24

Registration District: Bromsgrove

Civil Parish: Bromsgrove

Municipal Borough:

Address: Cats Hill, Lower, Bromsgrove

County: Worcestershire

Is this James snr. in the 1861 census:-

1861 census transcription details for: 5, Court, Strand, Bromsgrove

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 2113
Folio: 20
Page: 32
Reg. District: Bromsgrove
Sub District: 1 Bromsgrove
Parish: Bromsgrove
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 5, Court, Strand, Bromsgrove
County: Worcestershire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

WARD, James Head Married M 42 1819 Nailer
Worcester Bromsgrove
WARD, Mary Wife Married F 31 1830 Nailer
Worcester Bromsgrove
WARD, Henry Son M 7 1854 Scholar
Worcester Bromsgrove
WARD, Thomas Son M 2 1859 Scholar
Worcester Bromsgrove
LIDDLE, James Boarder Unmarried M 14 1847 Nailer
Worcester Bromsgrove<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

1861
WARD, James Head Married M 42 1819 Nailer
Worcester Bromsgrove VIEW
WARD, Mary Wife Married F 31 1830 Nailer
Worcester Bromsgrove VIEW
WARD, Henry Son M 7 1854 Scholar
Worcester Bromsgrove VIEW
WARD, Thomas Son M 2 1859 Scholar
Worcester Bromsgrove VIEW
LIDDLE, James Boarder Unmarried M 14 1847 Nailer
Worcester Bromsgrove VIEW

Thanks to you both.
Yes these to look like them. I think I was getting confused because sometimes the name was being spelt LIDDELL then again LIDDLE
So if I am reading this right James senior was born illegitimate to Mary Liddell and Mary Liddell is listed with her mother Ann on 1841 census ???

Thanks again Belinda. :-)

That's the way I see it Belinda, although the 1841 census doesn't give relationships.

Kath. x

just wonder did his mother mary marry

in 1861 posted above he is boarding with mary ward

Marriage transcript details

Name: LIDDELL, Mary

Registration district: [?] Bromsgrove

County: Worcestershire

Year of registration: 1855

Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 6C

Page no: [?] 468
MarriageFinder™: [?] Mary Liddell married one of the following people Transcript

WARD, James

Oh thanks so much I will investigate.

Much appreciated.