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Can anyone help me with my search for my missing grandmother Elizabeth Long born Elizabeth Piper in Ticehurst 1879. She married James Long and in 1913 with five children she seems to have disappeared from West Ham. She had a sister in Erith named Lowther. I cannot find a derath for her and don't know where else to search. please

Can anyone help me with my search for my missing grandmother Elizabeth Long born Elizabeth Piper in Ticehurst in 1879. She married James Long in 1901 and then in 1913 with five children she just seems to have disappeared from West Ham leaving the children. I have tried everything to find her and can't find a death cert. so don't know wher else to go now. Please help

Do you know when James Long died ?

Have you found her on the 1911 census?

Name: Elizabeth Piper
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1901
Registration district: Woolwich
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 233
spouse James Long

According to a number of trees on Ancestry her husband's full name was James Samuel Robert Long and he died in 1945. Some have him as James Samuel Charles Long.

No verification.

Someone has also attached this record:

Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957
Name: Elizabeth Piper
Arrival Date: 19 Jul 1915
Age: 36
Birth Date: abt 1879
Birthplace: Tunbridge Wells
Birth Country: England
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: English

Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Arrival Contact: Friend Gertrude Evans

Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_79

Let's investigate ......

..... I'm not convinced, this one was a cook and was single. She'd also been living in Canada. Also, I don't think Tunbridge Wells is too near Ticehurst (I think someone has maybe just snatched up one of Ancestry's hints without checking).

Where,s hubby??

1911 census transcription details for: 17 Kempton St Silvertown Essex


National Archive Reference:
RG14PN9475 RG78PN508 RD188 SD4 ED5 SN45
Reg. District: West Ham
Sub District: Canning Town
Parish: West Ham
Enum. District: 5
Address: 17 Kempton St Silvertown Essex
County: Essex
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
LOWTHER, Arthur Head Married M 24 1887 Smith's Striker London Poplar
LOWTHER, Minnie Wife Married F 25 1886 Sussex Ticehurst
LONG, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 32 1879 Charwoman Sussex Ticehurst
LONG, Alice Daughter F 9 1902 Essex Silvertown
LONG, Edith Daughter F 7 1904 Kent Plumstead
LONG, Florence Daughter F 4 1907 Kent Plumstead
LONG, Frederick Son M 2 1909 Essex Silvertown

Her husband's death (if this is the correct one) implies he stayed in the West Ham area, even if Elizabeth did not:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: James S R Long
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1945
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 88

Marriages Sep 1901
LONG James Woolwich 1d 2337
Piper Elizabeth Woolwich 1d 2337

The marriage doesn't have all those names

EDIT sorry Shirley - missed your post with the details

no probs!

In 1925 they were in Hammersmith together:

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
Name: Samuel James Long
Electoral Year: 1925
Parliamentary Division: Hammersmith
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham

They were living at 27 Aynhoe Road. There is (Major) J after his name - was he military or does it mean someting else on ER?

(Or is this a coincidence with very similar names?)

Think this is daughter Edith's baptism:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Edith Long
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1903
Baptism Date: 9 Dec 1903
Father's Name: James Long - Labourer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Long
Parish or Poor Law Union: Plumstead St John the Baptist
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 9 Railway Place.

... and this may be Florence's:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Florence Annie Doris Long
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 4 Oct 1906
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1906
Father's Name: James Long - Labourer
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Long
Parish or Poor Law Union: Plumstead St Margaret
Borough: Greenwich
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 3 Maxey Road.

From a public tree - to give us some background:

"Elizabeth Piper was born in 1879 the daughter of Frank Piper and Lois Tuppenney. Both parents were born in 1859 in Ticehurst in Sussex. Elizabeth was the eldest of 10 children, 8 of whom survived. By 1901 the family had moved to find work and settled in Silvertown in West Ham and Elizabeth's last sibling Frederick was born that year. Living with them was a lodge James Long born in Plumstead in 1879. By the summer of 1901 Elizabeth was pregnant and her and James went to Plumstead/Woolwich to get married and then back to West Ham where their daughter May Alice was born. They went on to have more children - moving backwards and forwards from West Ham to Plumstead where James was at times in lodgings and working in the Arsenal. In 1911 Elizabeth and her four children, May Alice, Edith, Florrie Annie Doris and Frederick were living in Erith with Elizabeth's sister Minnie who had married Arthur Lowther. In 1913 they all moved back to West Ham and some months later Elizabeth left the family home. Hilda her last child with James was a baby and stayed in West Ham with James and the eldest daughter where they were raised and helped by the Whittaker family who lived upstairs. Hilda never saw her mother again and althoug we do not know where the three middle children went we assume they were raised in Erith with the Lowthers. Luckily all the children remained a faily as they became older and parents themselves although none of their resulting offspring could show any light on where their parents were after 1913. Obviously someone knows and hopefully it will all fit into place one day."

Thanks everyone who replied for me - I still hope that I will find her some day. My mother was Hilda Maud - the youngest opf the five children - and never even had a photo of her. I don't think the Elizabeth Long who went to Mitchigan is the right one. Thanks once again Brenda

Here's a marriage for Florence which suggests she stayed in the area.

Marriages Dec 1936
Long Florence A D Painter Woolwich 1d 2226
Painter William H C Long Woolwich 1d 2226

and 2 children born in Woolwich