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Can someone else use fresh eyes to help me find my relatives in 1861. Edward (or possibly Edwin) Vaux - born in Newington Surrey in around 1850. His father is dead by this time but I have a death for his mother in 1862 so she is still around somewhere. I can't find her - Frances Vaux born circa 1819 in Newington as Frances Bartrum - either, so it is possible they are still together and their surname has been transcribed incorrectly. I have tried every spelling I can think of and done a search using 'V' only for their surname all without success. Any information or suggestions for alternative spellings is welcome. Thanks

Many pieces of 1861 are not available - most of them seem to be in the Home Counties

The details are on Ancestry

Known problems with 1861 piece numbers:
Pieces from RG9 where all parishes are missing (we do not have ANY records for these pieces):
145 , 407 , 903, 1234, 4015, 4131, 4196, 4344,
219 , 601 , 1039 , 3388 , 4022 , 4137 , 4291 , 4389
Pieces from RG9 where one or more parishes are missing (we have SOME records for these pieces):
217 , 690, 2211, 3913, 4027, 4143, 4173, 4211, 4265, 4295, 4330,
220 , 758, 2247, 3984, 4041, 4146, 4174, 4225, 4266, 4298,
229 , 837, 2365, 3991, 4077, 4149, 4178, 4228, 4270, 4299,
473 , 863, 2625, 4010, 4078, 4154, 4184, 4231, 4272, 4301,
485 , 952, 3278, 4013, 4079, 4161, 4185, 4256, 4274, 4304,
499 , 1047 , 3652 , 4014 , 4132 , 4163 , 4187 , 4261 , 4276 , 4309,
541 , 1194 , 3735 , 4024 , 4133 , 4164 , 4190 , 4262 , 4280 , 4314,
565 , 1984 , 3855 , 4025 , 4138 , 4165 , 4202 , 4263 , 4290 , 4319
Piece number "98" was not used.

1851 just for info

Name: Edwin B Venn
[Edwin B Vaux]
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John J Venn
Mother's Name: Frances Venn
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Newington
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 306
Piece: 1568
Folio: 373
Page Number: 63
Household Members: Name Age
John J Venn 35
Frances Venn 32
John S Venn 9
Edwin B Venn 1
Sarah Pentner 68
Mary Pentner 21
Mina Pentner 10
Ann Moore 65
Mary Moore 20



What happened to brother John ?

Looks as if John is on 1871 census onwards

These are the parishes that are missing.

England...

Cambridgeshire – Leverington Hamlet (part of hamlet Parson-Drove missing).

Cheshire – Heswall (Gayton and part of Heswall-with-Oldfield missing).

Durham – Brancepeth (hamlet Hedley Hope missing).

Kent – Goodnestone (reported missing 2002), Wateringbury (part missing, including hamlet Lily Hoe).

Middlesex (including London) – all these parishes are part-missing: Inner Temple, St Bride, St Dunstan-in-the-West (hamlets Cliffords Inn and Serjeants Inn, Chancery Lane are missing), St Gregory by St Paul, St Mary Staining, St Michael-le Quern.

Norfolk – Great Yarmouth (Cobham Island).

Northumberland – Newburn (part missing – hamlets of Black Callerton, Butterlaw, East and West Whorlton, Newbiggin, East Denton, West Denton, Newburn-Hall and Sugley are all missing).

Yorkshire – Marske (mostly missing, including hamlets Redcar and Marske).

There are also parishes in Wales and the Channel Islands. http://www.uk-family-history.com/1861-census.html#What%20places%20are%20missing


Nothing from Surrey.

Could not find brother John E Vaux, 1841, in 1861 either.
As mother appears to die in Newington you would think they should be obvious.

Thanks Reggie, GlitterBaby and Ozbird. I am OK with them in 1851 and 1841. As you say 1861 seems to be the problem. Frances, Edward/Edwin and John E all seem to have vanished without trace, all to reappear later in some form, and I am struggling to think of a reason why. As it is, Edwin is known as Edward from his marriage onwards, although why he changed his name is beyond me. His birth is registered as Edwin Bartrum Vaux. I wonder if it was common to use the mother's maiden name as a middle name?
I will keep looking. They must be somewhere!?

That's what I thought Patchem but it seems not!

mo2lly, using relatives' surnames is VERY common, even today.

My ancestors started using mother's maiden name in 1820 and it has been in every generation since.


Ozi

Benjamin Parry was a neighbour at No 16 Lion St in 1851. He's still there in 1861, but no Vaux family at No. 17.

Have you got the death cert for Frances Vaux? There is a younger Frances Vaux in 1861. It's possible she's the one who died.

1861 England Census
Name: Frances Vaux
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Cousin
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Newington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Condition as to marriage: Unmarried

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth

Selina Fearies abt 1818 Southwark; St Georges Head Newington St Mary, Surrey
Frances Vaux abt 1843 Newington, Surrey, England Cousin Newington St Mary, Surrey


They are both Grocers.

Hi OzBird,

I was looking at that Frances Vaux, looks like she was registered as Fanny and was with Elizabeth Vaux, Grandmother and Cordelia Vaux, Aunt in 1851..... she is Frances and John James Francis's daughter.

I think that Selina in 1861 is actually Selina Frazier... I found her in 1851, but as a servant, same birth year and birth place.

According to a few family trees Frances born 1844 married James Swann, although no marriage is found for her.

I've been quietly searching the 1861 census for Frances, John and Edwin and have not turned anything up.

Dee x

Thanks Oxbird. I had tried the Benjamin Parry/Lion street route myself but with no success. I looked at the younger Frances Vaux and the links to Elizabeth and Cordelia may prove useful.
BatMansDaughter - I spent until about 2 0'clock this morning trying different ways to find them too but frustratingly they seem to have completely vanished. Thanks anyway.