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Help understanding census 1911

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 16 Aug 2012 01:09

Roy



I always check the images for all censuses .............

.... like you, I want to know the exact details, and to see if the transcription is correct.


............. but you were faster than me today! :-D :-D



sylvia

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 15 Aug 2012 23:27

A nurse child was a foster child :-)

Lynda

Lynda Report 15 Aug 2012 23:21

Many thanks for everyones help.What is a nurse child?

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 15 Aug 2012 22:12

MarieCeleste, Good point,

Better to get a subscription to sites that are not pay per view

Roy

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Aug 2012 21:49

I think the problem Roy is that if people are using pay per view credits to search records then it costs them more to view the original ....

(If that's not the case then there's no excuse!)

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 15 Aug 2012 21:47

Sylvia, I had posted most of the details in my first post,

I think it may just be that i remember searching census and bmd indexes before they where transcribed so you only ever looked at the images

So i always check the actual image,

I do wish others would check images to confirm the transcription is correct

Roy

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 15 Aug 2012 21:40

snap, Roy :-D

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 15 Aug 2012 21:39

The dead child might be ........

Edith Lilian Ingram


Sidney listed her between Charles Frederick and Maud ...................

..... and this is the reason why there are 11 names on the census but only 10 on the Record.



sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 15 Aug 2012 21:34

She is Ingram on the ancestry record

Name: Emily Elizabeth Ingram
Age in 1911: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 74 Rosemary Road, Peckham S E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 25
Estimated Marriage Year: 1886





sylvia

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 15 Aug 2012 21:33

here is the one i posted from Ancestry

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1911England&indiv=try&h=3977214

the one missing is Edith Lilian who was crossed off the census

Deaths Mar 1906

INGRAM Edith Lilian 6 Southwark 1d 24


Roy

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 15 Aug 2012 21:33

That's the way Sudney filled out the form, for some reason!!


They've been married 25 years.

Had 8 children, 7 still alive.




and the one Nellie Robert is a Nurse Child



That's interesting .......... the transcriber has missed someone off the record!!



I wondered why Emily Elizabeth was not coloured yellow like the others



There are 11 names on the census, and only 10 on the record!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 15 Aug 2012 21:28

That's the one that I've just found!!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 15 Aug 2012 21:27

could you please post the census??

I'm trying to find it so I can take a look, but not having much success


Thank you

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 15 Aug 2012 21:25

1911 Census Household RecordHousehold information
Address 74 Rosemary Road Peckham
Parish Camberwell
Town Peckham
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms Five Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN2527 RG78PN85 RD27 SD4 ED8 SN416
Administrative County London
Registration District Camberwell
Registration Sub District St George
Enumeration District 8

Householder 1
Name Sidney John Ingram
Relationship to Head of Household Father
Condition / Years Married Married
Gender M
Age 47
Estimated Year of Birth 1864
Occupation Baker Journeyman
Employed Y
Working at Home Y
Industry Bake House
Place of Birth Wilts Salisbury
Nationality English

Householder 2
Name Albert Edward Ingram
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 19
Estimated Year of Birth 1892
Occupation Grocers Assistant
Employed Y
Working at Home Y
Place of Birth London Lambeth
Nationality English

Householder 3
Name Rose Ethel Ingram
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 17
Estimated Year of Birth 1894
Occupation Collar Machiness
Employed Y
Working at Home Y
Place of Birth London Pimlico
Nationality English

Householder 4
Name Sidney John Ingram
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 22
Estimated Year of Birth 1889
Occupation H M Navy Cooks Mate0
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Pimlico
Nationality English

Householder 5
Name Mable Ingram
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1896
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Pimlico
Nationality English

Householder 6
Name Charles Frederick Ingram
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1898
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Peckham
Nationality English

Householder 7
Name Maud Ingram
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1903
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Peckham
Nationality English

Householder 8
Name George Ingram
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1909
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Peckham
Nationality English

Householder 9
Name Nellie Roberts
Relationship to Head of Household Nurse Child
Gender F
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1907
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Peckham
Nationality English

Householder 10
Name Emily Elizabeth Roberts
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 25 Years
Total Children Born Alive 8
Children Still Living 7
Children Who Have Died 1
Gender F
Age 46
Estimated Year of Birth 1865
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth London Lambeth
Nationality English

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 15 Aug 2012 21:23

Hello Lynda - where were they in 1911 so we can take a look?

EDIT, it's a mis-transcription - she's Ingram on the original:

INGRAM, Sidney John Father Married M 47 1864 Baker Journeyman Wilts Salisbury
INGRAM, Albert Edward Son Single M 19 1892 Grocers Assistant London Lambeth
INGRAM, Rose Ethel Daughter Single F 17 1894 Collar Machiness London Pimlico
INGRAM, Sidney John Son Single M 22 1889 H M Navy Cooks Mate0 London Pimlico
INGRAM, Mable Daughter Single F 15 1896 London Pimlico
INGRAM, Charles Frederick Son M 13 1898 London Peckham
INGRAM, Maud Daughter F 8 1903 London Peckham
INGRAM, George Son M 2 1909 London Peckham
ROBERTS, Nellie Nurse Child F 4 1907 London Peckham
ROBERTS, Emily Elizabeth Wife Married 25 years F 46 1865 London Lambeth

RG number: RG14 Piece: 2527 Reference: RG14PN2527 RG78PN85 RD27 SD4 ED8 SN416
Registration District: Camberwell
Sub District: St George
Enumeration District: 8
Parish: Camberwell

Address: 74 Rosemary Road Peckham County: London

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 15 Aug 2012 21:22

Looks like your reading it wrong their is only one person in that household with the name Robert

Nellie Robert 4 listed as a nurse child

Name: Emily Elizabeth Ingram
Age in 1911: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 74 Rosemary Road, Peckham S E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 25
Estimated Marriage Year: 1886
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 2527
Household Members: Name Age
Sidney John Ingram 47
Albert Edward Ingram 19
Rose Ethel Ingram 17
Sidney John Ingram 22
Mable Ingram 15
Charles Frederick Ingram 13
Maud Ingram 8
George Ingram 2
Nellie Robert 4
Emily Elizabeth Ingram 46

Strange that his wife Emily Elizabeth is listed at the bottom of the page?

Roy

Edit, this is from Ancestry, I have checked the image and it clearly states her name as Emily Elizabeth Ingram

Lynda

Lynda Report 15 Aug 2012 21:13

My greatgrandfather Sidney Ingram born 1864 married Emily Elizabeth Purchall in 1887 but in 1911 census she has the surname Roberts and all the children except one are Ingrams but the youngest is Roberts