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Hi can anybody help me find 1871 census for Ann Elizabeth Carman,aged 20 yrs..She was born abt 1851 Denver ,Norfolk as she was baptised on 18/3/1851.1851 census she was in Denver and 1861.She had a son out of wed lock called Arthur Brundle.Her husband to be in Dec 1872 was Frederick Brundle marring in Downham. In 1881 and 1891 she was in Hilgay,Norfolk,But where is she in 1871???? .Oh! she died in 1901 Downham. Regards Bob

When was the son born?

sorry,abt 1869 .He was 12 on 1881 census Hilgay bob

For INFO.........1881



Name: Arthur Brundle
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frederick Brundle
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Brundle
Gender: Male
Where born: Fordham, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Hilgay
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address: Station Drove

Occupation: Farmers Son
Registration district: Downham
Sub-registration district: Downham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2005
Folio: 38
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Brundle 31
Elizabeth Brundle 30
Arthur Brundle 12
Albert Brundle 6
Ernest Brundle 4
Edith Brundle 2

1871

REDHEAD, Bensley Head M 57 1814 Norfolk VIEW
REDHEAD, Elizebeth Wife F 53 1818 Norfolk VIEW
REDHEAD, Elizebeth Daughter F 26 1845 Norfolk VIEW
REDHEAD, Bensley Son M 23 1848 Norfolk VIEW
REDHEAD, Thomas Son M 21 1850 Norfolk VIEW
CARMAN, Ann E Servant F 20 1851 Norfolk >>Born Denver

Piece: 1867 Folio: 196 Page: 16 Registration District: Downham Civil Parish: Hilgay Municipal Borough: Address: Ouze, West, Hilgay County: Norfolk

1861 for the lady


Name: Elizth Carman
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Ryley Carman
Mother's Name: Mary Carman
Gender: Female
Where born: Denver, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Denver
Ecclesiastical parish: Fincham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Downham
Sub-registration district: Downham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Piece: 1259
Folio: 97
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Ryley Carman 35
Mary Carman 32
Abrahm Carman 13
Elizth Carman 10
William Carman 8
John Carman 5
Mary Jane Carman 4

1871 census

Address: Becclesgate, East Dereham, Dereham, East

BRUNDLE, Hannah Head F 25 1846 Norfolk Whinborough (wife of G Brundle sawyer absent)
BRUNDLE, Arthur Son M 3 1868 Norfolk Dereham
BRUNDLE, Alice Daughter F 1 1870 Norfolk Dereham

>>edit nope this isn't them

The rest of the family in 1871


Name: Abraham Carman
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Riley Carman
Mother's Name: Mary Carman
Gender: Male
Where born: Denver, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Hilgay
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Ten Mile Bank
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Downham
Sub-registration district: Downham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 1867
Folio: 194
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Riley Carman 44
Mary Carman 43
Abraham Carman 23
William Carman 18
John Carman 15
Susanna Carman 14
Mary J Carman 10
Joseph Carman 7
Sarah A Carman 5
Arthur Carman 9
Emma Carman 4 Months

Have you looked for the SON in 1871?

Wrong parents on that one tempest

Looks like Astra's cracked it!

No wonder you couldnt find her at Ancestry


1871 England Census
about Bearsley Redhead
Name: Bearsley Redhead
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Redhead
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackford, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Hilgay
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Ten Mile Bank
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Downham
Sub-registration district: Downham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 1867
Folio: 196
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Bearsley Redhead 57
Elizabeth Redhead 53
Elizabeth Redhead 26
Bensley Redhead 23
Thomas Redhead 21
Ann C Redhead 20


I only found it due to Astra's post. I think the transcriber had been on the sherry as it defo says Carman on the census!

Reggie In your opinion do you think thats her even if the age is 10 yrs out.Do you think she did the age thing because the shame of not being married with Arthur bob

Ancestry's version!!!!!!!!

Name: Bensley Redhead
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Bearsley Redhead
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Redhead
Gender: Male
Where born: Hilgay, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Hilgay
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Ten Mile Bank
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Downham
Sub-registration district: Downham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 1867
Folio: 196
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Bearsley Redhead 57
Elizabeth Redhead 53
Elizabeth Redhead 26
Bensley Redhead 23
Thomas Redhead 21
Ann C Redhead 20************************

Correction submitted

Arthur Carman on the 1871 with Riley and mary is noted as 2 years old on FMP

Astra. I think you have done it,,well done lovely Bob

1871 census for Freederick Brundle

Address: Long Drove, Hilgay

BRUNDLE, Charles Head M 59 1812 Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Mary Wife F 56 1815 Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Fredrick Son M 21 1850 Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Stephon Son M 19 1852 Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Edward Son M 17 1854 Norfolk
BRUNDLE, John Son M 16 1855 Norfolk

parents: Elizabeth Carman
name: Arthur Carman
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 23 Mar 1869
baptism/christening place: Fordham, Norfolk, England
mother's name: Elizabeth Carman
indexing project (batch) number: I07465-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1526691

Hmmm....thats odd.....someone called Kandar20 submitted a correction, as we were searching!


Not confused at all ;-)