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Hi Gins just got back from library and confirmed that both Jane and Mary Ann's father was called James a mariner so looks like my tree is correct and they were both born in Whitby along with brothers William and James who my tree is based on.It was with Ancestry saying Durham & Sunderland births had me concerned.there was 3 more children born in Sunderland after 1826
Nice of you to help but i had to go and confirm incase i had gone wrong in my search

Marriages Sep 1840 (>99%)
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BUCKHAM Harriet Sunderland 24 204
DRUMMOND Mary Ann Sunderland 24 204 <<<<<
HOAR William Sunderland 24 204 <<<<<<<<
Johnson John Sunderland 24 204
MOORE Mary Sunderland 24 204
Rowell William Sunderland 24 204
SHARP John Sunderland 24 204
YEADON Elizabeth Sunderland 24 204


I'll delete that 1841 census as its not your Mary

I dont think the father is that George that I posted earlier, just posted to rule him out really.

A tree on Ancestry has Janes parents as James and Mary (Husband) but it needs verifying of course

Did Jane and Mary have any other siblings?


For what its worth, its only the 1871 census that has Mary born in Sunderland, all the others say Whitby

I think the Drummond family moved from whitby to Sunderland between1824 -1826 if i am on the right family but i wont know untill i go back and check the parish records fo both girls fathers names. IF it is George i am following the wrong line
Thanks again for your help

Iwill have to check the father of Jane on the marriage to Lancelot Mewburn and the father of Mary Ann on her marriage to William Hore as i thought their parents were James Drummond of Scotland and Mary Husband of Whitby
Obviously more visits to Sunderland Library

1861 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Hore
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitley, Yorkshire, England
[Whitby, Yorkshire, England]

Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 173
Piece: 3765
Folio: 26
Page Number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Hore 42 <<Laundress, widow
Ellener A Hore 9
Sarah Jane Hore 6
Lecha Custin 45
Jane A Custin 14
Edward Jones 37

What about this


County Durham
Place Tanfield
Church St Margaret of Antioch
RegisterNumber 1274
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 04 Nov 1827
Forename Jane
Sex F
FatherForename Gerge
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname DRUMMOND
MotherSurname
Abode Pithill
FatherOccupation Smith
Notes
FileNumber 22444


Do you have the marriage certificate to check her fathers name?


This looks like the Jane above:


1841 England Census
Name: Jane Drummond
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Gender: Female
Where born: Durham, England

Civil parish: Chester Le Street
Hundred: Chester (Middle Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Chester Le Street
Sub-registration district: Lamesley
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 300
Book: 15
Folio: 7
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
George Drummond 37 <<Blacksmith
Mary Drummond 35
Jane Drummond 13
Joseph Drummond 12
Thomas Drummond 10
John Drummond 8
Robert Drummond 5
George Drummond 2
William Drummond 6 Mo
Luke Drummond 6 Mo

This is what is confusing me i believed jane was born jane drummond in whitby in 1824 and Mary Ann drummond in whitby in 1817 seems to be a mistake for both ladies but it does appear tha lancelot is living with his aunt mary

Is this the marriage for Jane?


Marriages Mar 1845 (>99%)
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DRUMMOND Jane Sunderland 24 249 <<<<<<<<
ESPERSON Peter Sunderland 24 249
Groves Mary Ann Sunderland 24 249
Mewburn Lancelot Sunderland 24 249 <<<<<<<<<<
Stelling Alice Sunderland 24 249
Thirkell Thomas Sunderland 24 249
Turner William Sunderland 24 249
Wood Margaret Sunderland 24 249


Was just going to see if I can a birth for her, do you know her maiden name?

It says Durham, Sunderland on the census but someone has added other info to the transcription page to say she was born in Whitby, Yorkshire


Mary Ann Hore, widow born Sunderland

Thankyou Gins could i be a pain and ask in the 1861 census it states where mother Jane was born and in the 1871 census where Mary Ann Hore was born i am hoping they were sisters from Whitby

1861 England Census
Name: Lancelot Newburn
[Lancelot Mewburn]
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Jane Newburn
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 230
Piece: 3774
Folio: 49
Page Number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Newburn 34 <<Seamans wife
Elizabeth I Newburn 9
Lancelot Newburn 7
William R Newburn 5
Emily S Newburn 2


1871 England Census
Name: Launcelot Newburn
[Launcelot Mewburn]
[Lancelot Newburn]
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 313
Piece: 5016
Folio: 32
Page Number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Hore 55
Eleanor Waters 18
John Waters 26
William J Waters 1
Sarah Hore 16
Launcelot Newburn 16
William Newburn 14
Emily S Newburn 11
Charles Pitts 22


Looks like his mom died before the 1871



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: Jane Mewburn
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1868
Age at Death: 44
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 309

Would someone please look up Jane Mewburn (Newburn) in the 1861 census living in Durham with son Lancelot aged about 7