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By heck Christina, you don't give up easily do you? Thank you.

That has got to be Jesse's birth as the family came from the Holbeck area, I'll send for that birth certificate.

Thanks also to you brummiejan and safc for your efforts.

Cheers,

Ian :-)

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
Longbottom James Crossland Holbeck 9b 338

ChristinaS, you little belter! Brilliant, well done.
Jan

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1866
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
LONGBOTTOM Jesse Frossland Holbeck Leeds HOLB/6/405

Birth registration:

Jesse Crossland Longbottom - Jan-Mar 1867 - Holbeck

Vol.9b page 338

Found this - it has been mistranscribed as James

Must be a different man. But what a co-incidence!

1911 England Census
Name: Jesse Longbottom
Age in 1911: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wakefield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Carlisle
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 92 Oswald Street Carlisle
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Patern Makers Labourer
Registration district: Carlisle
Registration District Number: 574
Sub-registration district: St Cuthbert

Jesse Longbottom 41
Mary Longbottom 17
Alfred Longbottom 15
William Longbottom 13
Harriet Longbottom 11
James Longbottom 7
Edith Longbottom

Bit worried about that Jesse Speight Longbottom now:

Marriages Mar 1893 (>99%)
Hargreaves Mary Ruth Carlisle 10b 654
Longbottom Jesse Speight Carlisle 10b 654
Love George Carlisle 10b 654
Roberts Annie Carlisle 10b 654

According to Ancestry trees he married Mary Hargreaves.

Jan

Ian, re. 'lying' about father.
I have seen this more than once, and usually applies to the more humble folks, and most often when a child was illegitimate - if you are making up a father, you might as well do it properly!
My favourite is a relation who was a tool fitter and put his father as 'Alexander Longfield auctioneer'. That led me a merry dance I can tell you. The alarm bells should have rung straight away really.
It turns out he was the illegitimate son of a poor Irish girl, no father in sight.
Jan

Hi Gins,

I can see your point re the occupation/s. I can't see why Jesse would have to lie as the area he and Annie were living in was not what you might call "posh" and the family weren't wealthy.

Christina, I hadn't 100% discarded the Wakefield family and will look a bit further into that one. People did alter their names around as I have found out previously in my research.

Back burner for now and thank you all for your help,

Cheers,

Ian

I haven't found a family connection yet, but don't forget that Choccy found that Jesse Longbottom living with a Crossland family on the 1871 census.

Im not sure you should take much notice of the occupation given on the marriage certificate for Jess*, it may well have been 'made up'

I cant see the son of an engineer having the occupations that have been given so far?

Hi Choccy,

I've followed that Jesse through and the census records state that William was a 'Horse Driver' even in 1891 so hardly likely to become an 'Engineer' in a couple of years??

It did look interesting but for the occupation. In one of the records on Ancestry Jesse's middle name in that family is given as 'Speight'.

Perhaps we'll never know.

Thanks all the same,

Ian

p.s. have to out now will be back on later in the day.

The baptisims for the children of Harriet and William are showing at Ancestry. There is this one for a Jessie but the middle name is different?


West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Jesse-Speight Longbottom
Birth Date: 21 Jul 1869
Parish: Wakefield, All Saints
Baptism Date: 26 Dec 1869
Father's Name: William Longbottom <<Teamster
Mother's Name: Harriet Longbottom

???



Marriages Sep 1856
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LONGBOTTOM William Wakefield 9c 31
Speight Harriet Wakefield 9c 31



West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
Name: William Longbottom <<Farming hand?
Birth Year: abt 1830
Age: 26
Marriage or Bann Date: 24 Aug 1856
Parish: Wakefield, All Saints
Father's Name: Joseph Longbottom <<Mason
Spouse's Name: Harriet Speight
Spouse's Father's Name: Jessie Speight

That's a brilliant find Choccy.
Having looked at the image, according to this the above Jesse was born in Wakefield.
Jan

1881 England Census

Name: Jessie Longbottom
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Longbottom
Mother's Name: Harriett Longbottom
Gender: Male
Where born: Wakefield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Altofts
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Altofts Lower

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Wakefield
Sub-registration district: Sandal
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4573
Folio: 127
Page Number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
William Longbottom 50 <<Horse Driver (Carter)
Harriett Longbottom 45
John Longbottom 19
Jessie Longbottom 11
Harriett Longbottom 8
Mary Longbottom 6

1871

RG number: RG10
Piece: 4643
Folio: 31
Page: 1
Reg. District: Barnsley
Sub District: Darton
Parish: Darton
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bence House, Darton
County: Yorkshire

CROSSLAND, Thomas Head M 31 1840 Yorkshire
CROSSLAND, Martha Wife F 29 1842 Yorkshire
CROSSLAND, Lilley Kaye Daughter F 2 1869 Yorkshire
CROSSLAND, Thomas Ed Son M 1 1870 Yorkshire
CROSSLAND, - Daughter F 0 1871 Yorkshire
KAYE, Edward Father-In-Law M 60 1811 Yorkshire
>>>>>LONGBOTTOM, Harriet Visitor F 35 1836 Yorkshire
>>>>>LONGBOTTOM, Jesse Son M 1 1870 Yorkshire

Regret I haven't got Jesse's death certificate. On the burial records it just shows his age, 33 years 7 months, date of burial and occupation 'Shovel Maker'.

The witness Mary Jane was Annie's sister, as far as I know John Clarkson un-related.

Ian

Ian,
I just put that so others would not try and find him in 1901, as that could give more information - such as whether he had changed his birth year or birth place between censuses.
He is an iron worker on his marriage certificate, and a tailor in the 1891 census.

At the moment I cannot decide whether any of the information is true. Have you got his death certificate?

Added:
Not his family as witnesses - John Clarkson and Mary Jane Rusby.

Thanks patchem I have details of him and his family after 1893, it's the bits before about Jesse I need.

I have all details about Annie Rusby prior to their wedding.

Cheers, Ian

Just to stop others looking for him later:
Jesse Crossland Longbottom
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1900
Age at Death: 33
Registration district: Bramley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 205 (