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I haven't seen the 1802 image - this is Charles Tillotson I presume, not Charles Oswin? Interesting then that there was quite a gap before the Nov baptism. If Eliza did come from Yorkshire, would she have stayed in Southgate that long after giving birth? Or would she stay until she had found someone to take the child? So many questions!

Of course I may be making a false assumption that the adopted Charles Oswin was christened Charles - presumably his name could have been changed entirely, depending on when he was adopted. That may be the crucial bit of information, which is probably not findable!

And yes, I've got the Richard Oswin will - thank you.

Not sure if you have Birthdate from 1802 image...says born Feby 27th. (with illegt written before date)

(some Oswin Wills on below)


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=6&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1

Chris :)

Burial

Forenames:Richard
Surname:OSWIN
Residence:
Day:11
Month:Nov
Year:1795
Age:75
Notes:The Revd Rector of Tid St Giles
Parish:Tydd St Giles
County:Cambridgeshire,England
Grave details:
Record source:Cambridgeshire Burials

Interesting. I'm probably barking up completely the wrong tree, putting together the right place and date of birth (well, baptism anyway), the same Christian name, and an unmarried mother. No northern connections at all that I've found. Charles Esq's father was the Rev Richard Oswin, vicar in various Cambrdgeshire parishes, but he came from London and I think I've found his father and grandfather, also all London.

Of course, if Eliza Tillotson came from Yorkshire she might have been sent far away to have the baby - maybe Southgate was somewhere unmarried mothers went until they could go home again! But I'm fantasising! I'll continue to pursue the Tillotson though, just in case anything comes up. Thanks for all the suggestions. :-)

Just taken a look at FreeBMD.

There are any number of Charles Tillotson events but perhaps interestingly all appear to be Yorkshire.

So I just looked for the surname alone and again, a really high percentage in Yorkshire. A few in Lancashire and the odd one elsewhere like Leicester and Birmingham.

That being so, I wonder if your Charles was born 'up North' even though he was baptised London-way.

If you don't mind the suggestion, I'd 'play' about with the Tillotson families to see if you can find a likely family for him. Maybe you could learn more about Eliza and see if some piece of info helps you to decide.

J

Name: Charles Tillstson
Baptism Date: 14 Nov 1802
Parish: Weld Chapel, Southgate
County: Middlesex
Borough: Enfield
Parent(s): Eliza Tillstson
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register


Terrible image

I've got Charles Oswin of Harley Street (c1802-1890) and all his family, and I know where he was pretty much all the time - just don't know who he was when he was born! Or when he was adopted, and why.

Charles Esq married Mary Catharine Smith in 1816, and he was a bachelor and she was a spinster. No children apparently as his will of 1831 leaves property to his brother, nieces, sisters, and the children of his adopted son Charles. And Charles Esq spent much of his time in Jamaica between about 1790 and 1825. Mary died in 1859, so definitely no other wives for Charles Esq (unless he was lying and he wasn't a bachelor - he wouldn't be the first in our family to do that!)

This is probably unsolvable!

Charles Tillotson
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 11 Nov 1802 Edmonton,? Middlesex,? England
residence: Edmonton,? Middlesex,? England
parents: Eliza Tillotson


name: Charles Tillotson
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 11 Nov 1802
baptism/christening place: Edmonton, Middlesex, England
mother's name: Eliza Tillotson
indexing project (batch) number: I03974-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 2214228

Charles Oswin
England and Wales Census, 1841
birth: 1802 Middlesex
census: 1841 St Marylebone,? Marylebone,? Middlesex,? England


name: Charles Oswin
event: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Male
age: 39
birthplace: Middlesex
record type: Household
registration district: St Marylebone
sub-district: Cavendish Square
civil parish: St Marylebone
county: Middlesex

Charles Oswin
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth: 1802 Southgate,? Middlesex
residence: 1871 Marylebone,? London,? Middlesex,? England
child: Frederick Oswin


name: Charles Oswin
event: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 69
relationship to head of household: Father
birthplace: Southgate, Middlesex
record type: Household
registration district: Marylebone
sub-district: All Souls
event parish: Marylebone
county: London, Middlesex

Charles Oswin
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1802 Southgate,? Middlesex,? England
census: 1881 Hawkhurst,? Kent,? England


name: Charles Oswin
age: 79
gender: Male
birth year: 1802
birthplace: Southgate, Middlesex, England
relationship to head of household: Son In Law
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Surgeon M R C S Of England
address: - North Grove Asylum North Grove Lane
census place: Hawkhurst, Kent, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341224
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 940 / 57
page number: 3

Also clutching at straws with this suggestion

London 1856 Post Office Directory – Dining Rooms
Charles Tillotson 5 King St, Westminster


Not found anything earlier

Have you tried to establish a link between Eliza and Charles Esq? Is there anything to suggest that they married at some point?

There is a Charles Tilletson born Skipton 1822 on FamilySearch. By 1861 he was in St Pancras. Would it be worth trying to find out more about him to see if your Charles might just be his father?

It would be something else to rule out.

J

I have just discovered that my 3 x great grandfather Charles Oswin (born Southgate, Middx circa 1802) was the adopted son of Charles Oswin Esq, not the actual son. Looking for a possible real name for him I found Charles Tillotson on IGI, bp 11 Nov 1802 Edmonton, Middx, mother Eliza Tillotson. A quick look at 1841 and 1851 on GR doesn't come up with Charles Tillotson. I'm clutching at straws I know, but if Charles Tillotson could be located it would rule him out as a possible identity for my Charles. If on the other hand he vanishes, then he remains a possibility. Any help gratefully received. Thanks.