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Nathan Houlden md Ellen Topping in london 1842 on 1861 census he is listed as Robert Houlden,at his Son's marriage in 1869 he is listed as deceased.i cannot find a record of death for Nathan or Robert Houlden- bn 1816 can anyone tell me where else i should look.Thanks

You say where else should you look but where have you looked so far ?

1871 Ellen is living with son Robert and is a widow


1871 census transcription details for: Bevington Rd, Kensington

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 46
Folio: 43
Page: 79
Reg. District: Kensington
Sub District: Kensington Town
Parish: Kensington
Enum. District: 39
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Bevington Rd, Kensington
County: London, Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HOULDEN, Robert Head M 28 1843 Essex
HOULDEN, Louise Wife F 21 1850 Middlesex
HOULDEN, Anne Daughter F 0 1871 Middlesex
HOULDEN, Ellen Mother F 53 1818 Middlesex

for info:-

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Nathan Houlden
Name: Nathan Houlden
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Occupation: Servant
Spouse Name: Ellen Topping
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Jan 1842
Parish: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Thomas Houlden
Occupation: Gardener
Spouse Father Name: John Lewis Topping
Occupation: Grocer
Register Type: Parish Register

.........you say on 1861 census he is noted as Robert, so are you sure you have the correct census record?

a possibility as they lived Kensington


Civil Registration event: Death

Name: HOLDEN, Robert
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1869
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 32
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 37


EDIT just noted his age so wrong Robert!!!!

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name: Nathan Houlden
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 11 Jun 1815
baptism/christening place: Coningsby, Lincoln, England

father's name: Thomas Houlden
mother's name: Ann

indexing project (batch) number: C02853-7
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1541959

Is this them?

1851 England Census about Robert Houlton
Name: Robert Houlton
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Houlton
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Baston Loncobe
Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Coachman

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Grays Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 1495
Folio: 368
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Houlton 35
Ellen Houlton 33
Robert Houlton 8
Ellen Oakley Houlton 7

Yes Catherine, this is the right family-am i answering this in the right place?

Yes Janette you are answering in the correct place.
Will post your pm's for other helpers to see.

1/ morning Catherine, Almost certain as the names and ages all fit-and 4 yrs later they all emigrated to N.Z

2/ i think this is him-although I have always wondered about 1815-i really think it should be 1816

so that 1871 census is the right Robert as this is his marriage
Civil Registration event: Marriage

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Name: HOULDEN, Robert
Registration district: Kensington
County: London
Year of registration: 1869
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 1A
Page no: 119
spouse WILLSHIRE, Louisa


so Ellen is living with them in 1871 and is a widow

Janette


ages on any census are never precise .......... it depends on the date when the census was held, vs the date on which a person was born.


The Census asked for the age of a person at midnight on a certain date.

The later transcribers (for ancestry, fmp, etc) translate that age into estimated birth year.


and that is how the discrepancy occurs.


Birth years on some censuses may be as much as 2 years out.


Plus, there is the fact that many people did not know exactly how old they were, and sometimes not even the year.




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