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I am trying, and failing, to locate my Great Great Grandfather and his family on the 1891 Census ~ Can anyone help please?

I am looking for James Tanner (b23rd April 1875 Ramsgate) and Lucy Tanner nee Cox (b12th September 1859 Birkenhead although 1881 census says Portsea)

In 1891 they should have four/five children Kate (b1878), Alice (b1880), Edith (b1885), Lucy (b1889) and Hilda (b1890). I understand my Great Grandfather Henry James (b15.12.1891) was born after the census was taken.

I found them on the 1881 census and they are living in Portsea, Portsmouth, hampshire with the Waldegrave family (who I know is Lucy's Uncle ~ he was a witness at James and Lucys wedding on 2nd July 1877 at the Register Office in Portsea.

I hope I have given enough information?. I have searched and searched and tried all sorts of combinations and come up with nothing. I have also contacted people on here with James as a relative but none are a direct descendent so can't help.

Thank you in anticipation :-D

Where did you find any of them in 1901?
James cannot have been born in 1875. 1857?

Added:
They are in Portsmouth in 1901, for info.

Before I start looking Cindy - could you just confirm James's year of birth for me please?

You have said above 1875 but I don't think this is correct in view of the dates you have given for his wife and children??

Thanks,

Dea x

1881?

Name: James Tanner
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Ramsgate
Civil parish: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 48 Surry St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Hatter
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1155
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
John Waldegrave 57
Mary Waldegrave 54
Harry Waldegrave 14
James Tanner 25
Lucy Tanner 20
Kate Tanner 3
Alice Tanner 1
Joseph Cox 20

1891:
Name: James Farner
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lucy Farner
Gender: Male
Where born: Ramsgate, Kent, England
Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Labourer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 868
Folio: 132
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
James Farner 33
Lucy Farner 30 born Maryport, Cheshire
Kate Farner 13
May Farner 11
Chas Farner 9
Edith Farner 3
Lucy Farner 3
Hilda Farner 1
Geo Williamson 23
Edwd Godly 58
Stephen Voaden 33

N.B. I have sent a correction to Ancestry regarding the incorrect transcription of the surname on the 1891 census.

Ancestry has them as Farner in 1891.

1881 England Census about Lucy Tanner
Name: Lucy Tanner
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 48 Surry St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1155
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
John Waldegrave 57
Mary Waldegrave 54
Harry Waldegrave 14
James Tanner 25
Lucy Tanner 20
Kate Tanner 3
Alice Tanner 1
Joseph Cox 20

Must be mistranscribed at 1891

1901 England Census about Lucy Tanner
Name: Lucy Tanner
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Tanner
Gender: Female
Where born: Cherine, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas a Becket
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:
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Registration district: Portsmouth
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 198
Piece: 1001
Folio: 88
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
James Tanner 43
Lucy Tanner 41
Edith Tanner 16
Lucy Tanner 12
Hilda Tanner 11
Henry Tanner 9
Alfred C Tanner 3
Kate Morris 56

1911 England Census about Lucy Tanner
Name: Lucy Tanner
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Pembroke Road, Portsmouth
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 34
Estimated Marriage Year: 1877
Registration district: Portsmouth
Registration District Number: 90
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 284
Piece: 5614
Household Members:
Name Age
James Tanner 53
Lucy Tanner 51
Hilda Tanner 21
Harry Tanner 19
Theophilus Wearn 20

Jonesey - You have marked James as a 'hat maker' on 1891 - wasn't he a dock labourer??? Or were my eyes deceiving me ?

Dea Xxx

Dea,

No yours weren't but mine obviously were. His occupation was described as a hatter in 1881 and I have misread the second word in the occupation column in 1891 as Hat. I could not read the last word and assumed it to be part of the process of hat manufacturing.

I have now enlarged the entry and it looks like " Labourer Hel? Grain Wharf". I have corrected my earlier post.

You lot are AMAZING!! Even with my silly typo with James DOB you have tracked them down. How did you do it?

Jonesey ~ I think it should say 'Gun Wharf' which was part of the HM Dockyard at Portsmouth (Its now a shopping centre!)

Thank you so much to you all ~ I wished I had asked for help earlier! :-D

Cindy,
I used Ancestry. I knew they had to be mistranscribed.
I simply searched 1891 without a surname
Lucy b 1861 with a husband called James and stuck in one or two of the childrens names.

The" Farner" census was top of the results list
Anne

Thank Anne ~ I will remember this in the future.

I'm still fairly new to the family research thing and I am quickly learning that everything is not also straightforward or even correct!

Thanks again for your help.