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Think I got confused reading Service Records, as they were both son of Reuben, that Richard died too, 8/2/17, and his Marriage was to Ellen White 27/6/15, at time he was a Carman, living at 29, Watergate St.

Phew!, lol.

Chris :)

The only evidence I've turned up so far for a Richard with his fathers family is the other Richard living with Reuben and Annie. The surname is a gift at times, being rare, but that in turn has lead to some dreadful transcription errors...

Harriet's great aunt on her mothers side (Maria Hart b approx 1819 in Pilton Devon) was a 'monthly nurse', and she also took in Harriet, her mother, and her sister when Harriet's father died. I'm going to double check, but I believe Maria Hart died in 1894, which would rule her out.

I'm going to have a bit more of a poke around, and if you don't mind I'll come back to you for another search.

Thanks ever so much for your help.

You say that Harriet's mother or sister didn't have Richard in 1901 and 1911, but what about his father's family, have you checked them?

He could also have been fostered out to family friends so he could be under any name, taking back his birth name only when he signed up to the army?

Bit late in the day here for studying Service Records lol, but do both the Richards ones have written tattoo, crossed hands heart I love Nell White on them?...

Chris :)

That's my Richard Chris. That was the record that made us realise there was a fourth child from that marriage., but I can't find any trace of him between then and his war records. Very strange.

All those extra records you've posted are the right family Catherine.

Yes, the regimental number threw me too. G/10421 is the other Richard, son of Reuben and Annie.

My Richard's father, John (died only weeks after Richard was born), was living at 1 Knott Street when he married.

Richard's mother Harriet was living at 15 Azof St on both 1901 and 1911. She was listed as Cooper, but Richard's three siblings John, Harriet and Isaac were Dabin. On 1911 the boys were lodging elsewhere, but Harriet was with her mother.

In 1891 the family were living at 12 ? Lane. Think the ? is Copperas.

On both 1901 and 1911 Harriet's mother hadn't got Richard, and neither has her sister Maria Andrews, so my only other thought was her great aunt Maria Hart who was most probably living on Giffin St at the time. It appears she took Harriet's mother and her two daughters in on the 1871 census. Harriet's father died very young too.

Just to get an idea of the family:-

Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
ANDREWS John Greenwich 1d 1444
DABIN John Greenwich 1d 1444
DENYER Harriet Jane G Greenwich 1d 1444
DENYER Maria Hart Greenwich 1d 1444
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Deaths Jun 1894 (>99%)
Dabin John 31 Greenwich 1d 539
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Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
Butcher Elizabeth Mary Greenwich 1d 1361
COOPER Arthur Greenwich 1d 1361
Dabin Harriet Jane G Greenwich 1d 1361
TRUSS Herbert Greenwich 1d 1361
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1911 England Census about Harriet Cooper
Name: Harriet Cooper
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: DEPTFORD, England
Civil parish: Greenwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 15 Azof St, East Greenwich S E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 15
Estimated Marriage Year: 1896
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 2695
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Cooper 56
Harriet Cooper 42
Harriet Jane Dabin 21
Arthur Cooper 21
Maud Cooper 14
Frank Cooper 12
Albert Cooper 10
Charles Cooper 5
Walter Cooper 2
..............................................

1901 England Census about Harriet Cooper
Name: Harriet Cooper
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Arthur Cooper
Gender: Female
Where born: Deptford, London, England
Civil parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 542
Folio: 162
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Cooper 45
Harriet Cooper 31
xxxx John Datin 13
xxxx Harriet Datin 11
xxxx Isaac Datin 9
Arthur Cooper 11
Maud Cooper 4
Frank Cooper 2
Albert Cooper 1
John Cooper 56
............................................

Same family in 1891:-

1891 England Census about John Dobin
Name: John Dobin
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Jane Dobin
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England
Civil parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Hawker

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 494
Folio: 15
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
John Dobin 28
Harriet Jane Dobin 22
John Robert Dobin 3
Harriet Jane Dobin 1

.............no sign of Richard in any of the census records?

Baptism (if him)
Surname:Dabin
Forenames:Richard Ernest
Baptism Year:1894
Baptism Month:JUN
Baptism Day:20
Mother:Harriet Jane
Father:John
Birth Year:
Birth Month:
Birth Day:
Place:Deptford
County:Kent
Source:St.Pauls Deptford 1880-1895 baptisms
Notes:
Record source:Thames & Medway Baptisms

Chris :)

Who were the parents of your Richard?
and what was his father's occupation?

Richard Dabin from the two addresses you gave:-

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Richard Dabin
Name: Richard Dabin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Age at enlistment: 20
xxxx Residence: 10 Knott Street, Deptford S E xxxx
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 14107
Regiment Name: (Camber?? Howitzer Brigade ??
Number of images: 7
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British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Richard Dabin
Name: Richard Dabin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Age at enlistment: 21
Residence: 5 Adie Street, Deptford S E
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: ??410421
Regiment Name: (Lewisham) Battn Roayl West Kent Regt
Number of images: 22

.................both give a different regimental number so not your Richard.

Just in case you don't have it:-

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Richard E Dabin
Name: Richard E Dabin
Regiment or Corps: 20th London Regiment, 20th London Regiment
Regimental Number: 1308, 630213
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UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Richard Ernest Dabin
Name: Richard Ernest Dabin
Birth Place: St. Paul's, Deptford
Residence: East Greenwich
Death Date: 3 Dec 1917
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Blackheath
Rank: Corporal
Regiment: London Regiment
Battalion: 20th (County of London) Battalion (Blackheath and Woolwich)
Number: 630213
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
...................................................................................

DABIN, RICHARD ERNEST

Rank: Corporal
Service No: 630213
Date of Death: 03/12/1917
Regiment/Service: London Regiment

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.........will have a look on 1911!

Thanks for the second reply, not there either. How someone can go missing between being born and enlisting I do not know...

I'm after a Richard Ernest Dabin born 1894. Not with his mother, his aunt, his grandmother...

There is another Richard, born the same year, who was son of Annie and Reuben. I can find him on both 1901 and 1911, but not my Richard.

He's not at either of the addresses that both Richard Dabins gave when they enlisted.

Who are you looking for?
Maybe we can help you find them!

Thanks Catherine. Not what I was hoping for, but it's one off the list.

316 WARE, William Head Married M 48 1863 General Labourer Kent Deptford View
316 WARE, Elizabeth Wife Married
25 years F 48 1863 Kent Deptford View
RG number: RG14 Piece: 2624 Reference: RG14PN2624 RG78PN89 RD28 SD2 ED1 SN316 Registration District: Greenwich Sub District: Deptford East Enumeration District: 1 Parish: St Paul Deptford Address: 5 Addy St Deptford County: London

No Children!

or

315 PACKER, Richard George Head Married M 37 1874 Generd Fisher Deptford London View
315 PACKER, Winifred Elizabeth Wife Married
10 years F 35 1876 Deptford London View
315 PACKER, Lavinia Elizabeth Daughter Single F 9 1902 School Deptford London View
315 PACKER, George Richard Son Single M 1 1910 Deptford London View
RG number: RG14 Piece: 2624 Reference: RG14PN2624 RG78PN89 RD28 SD2 ED1 SN315 Registration District: Greenwich Sub District: Deptford East Enumeration District: 1 Parish: St Paul Deptford Address: 5 Addy St Deptford County: London

4 children, 2 living and 2 died.

190 CROMARTY, William J Head Married M 42 1869 Fishmonger Greengrocer Deptford View
190 CROMARTY, Caroline Wife Married
23 years F 39 1872 London View
190 CROMARTY, John J Son M 12 1899 School Deptford View
190 CROMARTY, Caroline S M Daughter F 3 1908 Deptford View
RG number: RG14 Piece: 2636 Reference: RG14PN2636 RG78PN89 RD28 SD2 ED13 SN190 Registration District: Greenwich Sub District: Deptford East Enumeration District: 13 Parish: St Paul Deptford Address: 10 Knott Street Deptford S E County: London

10 children, 6 living and 4 died

or

191 BUCK, Sarah Head Widow F 70 1841 Deptford View
191 BUCK, Thomas Son Single M 20 1891 Flower Seller Deptford S E View
RG number: RG14 Piece: 2636 Reference: RG14PN2636 RG78PN89 RD28 SD2 ED13 SN191 Registration District: Greenwich Sub District: Deptford East Enumeration District: 13 Parish: St Paul Deptford Address: 10 Knott Street Deptford S E County: London

8 children, 1 living and 7 died

Hi I would be extremely grateful if anyone could me provide me with details of who was living at two addresses in the parish of St Paul, Deptford (Reg district Greenwich) on the 1911 census.

The addresses are 5 Addy Street and 10 Knott Street.

Thank you in advance for any help.