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Hi mgnv
Thurston and his wife and family went to join his mother and siblings who travelled to Canada in May 1906
Christine
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"join his mother and siblings" - so I expect Christine has this, but for background.
Christine makes it sound like mum's a widow - so it explains Thurston, but just bumps my query up to why did Jane pick Moosomin - more rellies?
1881 England Census
Civil parish: Walton Le Dale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: Walton Village
Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Walton Le Dale
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
William Carter 27 Clayton Le Woods, Lancashire, England Head M Tape Sizer
Jane Carter 29 Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England Wife M
Nancy Carter 10 Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England Daughter Cotton Weaver
Thurston Carter 1 Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England Son
Ralph Southworth 77 Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England Father in Law W Agricultural Labourer
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4242; Folio: 24; Page: 2; GSU roll: 1342015.
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1904
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CARTER Thurston SHARPLES Alice Bamber Bridge, Methodist Preston 305/1/17
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1876
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CARTER William SOUTHWORTH Jane Walton le Dale, St Leonard Preston 240/4/29
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1876 CARTER Robert Walton-le-Dale Preston SOUTHWORTH WLD/23/40
1877 CARTER Robert Walton-le-Dale Preston SOUTHWORTH WLD/24/10
1878 CARTER William Walton-le-Dale Preston SOUTHWORTH WLD/25/1
1880 CARTER Thurston Walton-le-Dale Preston SOUTHWORTH WLD/25/88
1882 CARTER Elizabeth Ann Walton-le-Dale Preston SOUTHWORTH WLD/27/14
1883 CARTER Mary Walton-le-Dale Preston SOUTHWORTH WLD/28/60
1886 CARTER William Walton-le-Dale Preston SOUTHWORTH WLD/30/62
1889 CARTER Margaret Walton-le-Dale Preston SOUTHWORTH WLD/32/48
1891 CARTER Martha Jane Walton-le-Dale Preston SOUTHWORTH WLD/34/10
1893 CARTER Thomas Walton-le-Dale Preston SOUTHWORTH WLD/35/46
Lancashire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
1876 CARTER Robert 0 Walton-le-Dale Preston WLD/15/89
1877 CARTER Robert 0 Walton-le-Dale Preston WLD/16/28
1878 CARTER William 0 Walton-le-Dale Preston WLD/16/69
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1871
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SOUTHWORTH Nancy Walton-le-Dale Preston SOUTHWORTH WLD/19/86
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
SOUTHWORTH Nancy 16 Walton-le-Dale Preston WLD/20/41
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1851
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
SOUTHWORTH Jane Walton-le-Dale Preston WIGGANS WLD/9/24
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1885
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
SOUTHWORTH Ralph 81 Brindle/Withnell Preston BR/12/26
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html
Baptism: 10 Jul 1876 St Leonard, Walton-le-Dale, Lancs.
Robert Carter - [Child] of William Carter & Jane
Born: 1 Jul 1876
Abode: The Green Walton le Dale
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: E. F. Leach
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1887 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 211, Entry 1688
Source: LDS Film 1502384
Burial: 7 Oct 1876 St Leonard, Walton le Dale, Lancashire, England
Robert Carter - Son of William Carter
Age: 3 months
Abode: Town's Brow Walton le Dale
Buried by: E. F. Leach
Register: Burials 1861 - 1880, Page 163, Entry 1304
Source: LDS Film 1526061
Baptism: 21 Jun 1877 St Leonard, Walton-le-Dale, Lancs.
Robert Carter - [Child] of William Carter & Jane
Born: 20 Jun 1877
Abode: Walton le Dale
Occupation: Laborer
Baptised by: E. F. Leach
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1887 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 221, Entry 1761
Source: LDS Film 1502384
Burial: 24 Nov 1877 St Leonard, Walton le Dale, Lancashire, England
Robert Carter - Son of William Carter
Age: 5 months
Abode: Walton le Dale
Buried by: E. F. Leach
Register: Burials 1861 - 1880, Page 173, Entry 1377
Source: LDS Film 1526061
Burial: 9 Oct 1878 St Leonard, Walton le Dale, Lancashire, England
William Carter - Son of William Carter
Age: 1 week
Abode: White Bull Yard Walton le Dale
Buried by: E. F. Leach
Register: Burials 1861 - 1880, Page 182, Entry 1451
Source: LDS Film 1526061
Burial: 24 Dec 1885 St Leonard, Walton le Dale, Lancs.
Ralph Southworth - son of the late Wm. Southworth
Age: 81 years
Abode: Lower Lane Wheelton
Buried by: J. S. Dean
Register: Burials 1880 - 1889 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 49, Entry 389
Source: LDS Film 1502384
Marriage: 19 Feb 1832 St Leonard, Walton-le-Dale, Lancashire, England
Ralph Southworth - (X), Bachelor of this Chapelry
Ann Wiggans - (X), Spinster of this Chapelry
Witness: John Brindle, (X); James Tomlison, Senr.
Married by Banns by: John Swainson, Sub Curate
Register: Marriages 1830 - 1839 from the Bishop's Transcrpts, Page 21, Entry 63
Source: LDS Film 1502382
[Of the 9 marrs in the month following, James Tomlinson ia a witness on 8 of them]
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OK - if you've a relly who's a postmaster, you can learn his tenure, but the most use I've found for this database is that it gives the Dominion Land Survey reference for prairie PO's.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/post-offices/001001-100.01-e.php
Moosomin Sec.4, Twp.14, R.31, W1 - 1882-11-01
Marchwell SK Sec.15, Twp. 21, R.30, WPM - 1907-09-01
Harrowby MB Sec. 28, Twp. 20, R. 29, W1 - 1888-04-01
Whitewood Sec.7, Twp.16, R.2, W2 - 1883-11-09
In the extreme N, the 2nd meridian is the SK-MB border. Further S, it's the township line between Ranges 29 & 30.
If you look at an atlas, you can see the jogs in the border every 24 miles down south.
The prime (1st) meridian is a true N-S line (they all are) - R29/R30 is 29*6=174 miles (+ road allowances) east of this.
Allowance was made for the earth's curvature. The meridians are 29% closer at the province's N border compared with the S border.
For section numbering, see e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Land_Survey
I mention this as the reason most folks went to SK in the pre-WW1 was for the free land.
You paid a $10 filing fee to file a homestead claim. To prove a claim, you had to live on the land for 3 y, erect a dwelling, and get 40 acres under crop.
When your claim was verified, you got letters patent (i.e., title) on it.
The standard claim was for a quarter section (i.e., 160 acres).
You can search at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/western-land-grants/index-e.html
Here's a nearby hit - don't know that he's owt to do with your mob - just wanted an example:
Part Section Township Range Meridian
NE 23 12 32 W1
Reference: Volume: 71 Folio: 382 Microfilm reel number: C-5993
Names: Joseph Thomas Carter
Letters Patent: Image
This quarter-section is 4 m W and 9 m S of Moosomin.
There's an image of the letters patent dated 8/7/1892, but there isn't always.
Search Help - How to Interpret your Results - Finding the year the land was granted - Click here to consult the list of Liber numbers and years.
LIBER DATES REEL NUMBER
71 Jan. 21, 1891 - March 14, 1893 C-5992-C-5993
Start at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html
You can drill down in various directions. Here we want the census index links page:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html
Here's AG's transcription:
1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Saskatchewan / Qu'Appelle / 27 Moosomin / page 7 split view
6 62 Carter Jane F Head W Feb 1852 59 1901 Links
7 62 Carter Elizabeth Ann F Daughter S Nov 1882 29 1901 Links
8 62 Carter Thomas M Son S Jul 1894 17 1901 Links
9 62 Carter William M Grandson S Oct 1907 4 1901
10 62 Carter Margaret F Granddaughter S May 1908 3 1901
You can click on various bits of the header, especially the "split view" link
It links with http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002101618.pdf which I post for ease of use on the thread.
[Margt's pob=Sask; rest England; y.o.immig=1906 -
re Wm's y.o.b.: - There are three sorts of people - those who can add, and those who can't]
This looks like Wm - bit late in year to be crossing in 1906!
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1906
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CARTER William West Preston Preston CARTER WP/6/38
At the end of these transcribed lines, there's a 1901 link which initiates a search of that person in 1901,
and some have a Links link - someone's added these and they're always worth checking. Here they link to the 1906 census.
1906 Census Page Data
District: SK Assiniboia East District (#11)
Subdistrict: 46 (Town of Moosomin) Page 26
Image: View image using a split screen
5 196 Carter Jane Head F W 54 Links
6 196 Carter Elizabeth Daughter F S 24 Links
7 196 Carter William Son M S 20
8 196 Carter Margaret Daughter F S 17
9 196 Carter Martha Daughter F S 15
10 196 Carter Thomas Son M S 14 Links
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e049/e001207622.pdf
[addy=Gertie St - no grandson Wm - maybe I guessed wrong above (but that was a 1906q4 b.rego - I checked)]
You can click on SD#=46, and see a list of surnames in SD
1906 Census Page Data
District: SK Assiniboia East District (#11)
Subdistrict: 46 (Town of Moosomin) Page 28
30 218 Carter Ursula Head F W 45
31 218 Carter George Son M S 16 Links
32 218 Carter Cecil C. Son M S 14 Links
33 218 Carter Ursula Daughter F S 14 Links
Also 4 h/h's away:
21 214 Carter Martha Servant F S 14
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e049/e001207623.pdf
[Martha the servt might be our Martha, double counted (pob=Eng 1906); Ursula Snr pob=England immig 1883; rest in h/h pob=Sask]
1906 Census Page Data
District: SK Assiniboia East District (#11)
Subdistrict: 46 (Town of Moosomin) Page 3
2 21 Carter Thomas Head M M 27
3 21 Carter Annie Wife F M 24
4 21 Carter May Daughter F S 1/12
Also 3 h/h's away
24 24 Carter Charles A. Boarder M S 25
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e049/e001207610.pdf
You can also click on the district link - these correspond to electoral districts, so they tend to change a bit on the prairies as the place becomes populated.
Again there's a surname list with too many Carters for me to guess. There's also one Southworth
1906 Census Page Data
District: SK Assiniboia East District (#11)
Subdistrict: 21 (Townships 9, 10, 11 in ranges 30, 31 west of the 1st M) Page 20
35 215 Hillis John Head M M 56
36 215 Hillis Maggie Wife F M 42
37 215 Hillis William Adopted M S 14
38 215 Hillis Elizabeth Adopted F S 12
39 215 Southworth J Hired M S 22
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e049/e001207241.pdf
Nominal census date 1871-1901 same as UK or 1 day later, then 24/6/1906 1/6/1911, 1/6/1916.
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Drill down again re BMDs
SK https://www.isc.ca/VitalStatistics/Genealogy/vsgs_srch.aspx
Registration Number: 1341
Last Name: CARTER
First Name: MARGRET
Sex: F
Birth Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 1908 / 5 / 30
Place of Birth: MOOSOMIN
Mother ELIZABETH ANN CARTER
Father
Re: Christine's "his mother and siblings who travelled to Canada in May 1906"
Well, I put this off as it's a pain with no sub.
What I have to do is do a free look up on Ancestry, find the family, pin down the year,
guess the ports - for this family, they would leave via Liverpool.
They would arrive at StJohn, Halifax, Montreal or Quebec. For Sask in May, it would be one of the latter 2.
Next I guess the ship (Lake*, Emp*, *ian, *ion, *tic gets a lot of them).
This ship made 7 voyages with 1000 passengers per trip - a lot of names to browse - even knowing it's May leaves a lot of work.
View Image
Ship: EMPRESS OF BRITAIN
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Railway Co.
Departure Port and Date (yyyy/mm/dd): Liverpool, England - 1906-05-05
Port and Date of Arrival: Quebec, Que. - 1906-05-13
Remarks: List Number: 513499, Ship arrived in port 1906-05-12
List includes: Mrs. Fegan's party for Toronto
Reference: RG 76
Microfilm: T-486
I can take the View Image link, then go to page 16 of 36, but the LAC images are of lower res than Ancestry's, and hard to read.
Anyways, not all of Thurston's sibs are there - Wm's missing, but we know he's there in July when they were enumerated.
It makes sense to me that Wm would come out first, get things sorted, then send for family.
Now it's too hard for me to find an earlier voyage for Wm.
In any case, I still think Moosomin's an odd place to come to, so I still suspect rellies in area.
There's only one 1961 Alice Carter in BC
http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-2057952/gbsearch/Births,Marriages,Deaths
Name:Alice Carter
Place:Vancouver
Reg. Number:1961-09-011081 Copy Available
Date:1961 9 28 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Age:82
Event:Death
Microfilm #:B13253 (GSU # 2033374)
Of course, I can't say she's our Alice - I'm just working off Maureen's Rootsweb thread.
Normally I use http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs&
or (for BC): http://bccfa.islandnet.com//homepage.html
But if she's buried in Vancouver, it has to be Mountain View:
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/nonmarketoperations/mountainview/burials/index.htm
Deceased Date of Death Date of Burial Location
CARTER, Alice Sep-28-1961 [blank] OLD/2/03/017/0011
Try contacting the 2 posters on Maureen's thread - they might have the same email addy (or have kept the site updated).
This looks like bro Thos
Name: CARTER, THOMAS
Regimental number(s): 460258
Reference: RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 1549 - 59
Date of Birth: 29/04/1893
Check image of attestation form at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php
Enlisted 2/6/1915
No hit at CWGC, so check - Genealogy Chat : Canadian Death Cards of Veterans
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1304077
There is a death record (1007-8 of 1275) of a Lt Carter (5th Bn CEF) d 1/10/1924.
(He follows Sydney Carter & preceeds Thomas Carter)
I think as he's an officer, no service # appears on his record.
However, the initial addy is Ft Qu'Appelle SK (x-ed out & replaced by Whitewood SK)
NOK=widow Mrs RM Carter Box 52 Whitewood SK (x-ed out & replaced by Tottenham).
Don't know if this is our Thos - you'ld probably need his service record to see if he made Lt.
(See Search Help link on CEF attestation URL also on search help is link to war diaries).
War Diaries - you really want to see the service record to see what time he joined the battalion in France. (This will be several months after he enlisted) Sometimes (infrequently) you'll need to check the higher level units - for the 5th Bn, these were the 2nd (infatry) Brigade and the 1st (Canadian) Division The higher units would be more relevant if he were wounded in some big battle. They would outline the medical arrangements for the battle, like the Casualty Clearing Stations available to the Regimental Aid Post. These tended to specialize like (I'm making this up - head wounds - 1st Canadian; Gun Shot Wounds - 1st Australian; gassing - 9th British, etc.)
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