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Thomas
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14 Jul 2012 20:23 |
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thank you all, very helpful. I wonder why she is called Mary on 1881 Census?
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cagsie
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14 Jul 2012 18:53 |
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there's a couple of trees on Ancestry that have this family in quiet a lot of detail, it seems the marriage above is correct :-)
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MargaretM
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14 Jul 2012 18:40 |
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CAUTION! There's another Robert & Henrietta. His name Robert Walter, a house painter, living at 2 Canal St. he had children: John Robert born 28 May 1878 Frederick Charles, 5 May 1880 Alfred Ernest, 10 April 1883 Bert James, 10 March 1885 Nellie Maud, 12 May 1887 Frank Henry, no birthdate given
All baptised same day 16 June 1889.
Edit: OK This is your family, the greengrocer is not.
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MarieCeleste
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14 Jul 2012 18:34 |
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The 1911 census says married 27 years, which would be c 1884:
ADAMS, Robert Head Married M 63 1848 House Painter London Islington ADAMS, Henrietta Wife Married27 years F 57 1854 Whitechurch Hants ADAMS, Alfred Son Single M 28 1883 Potatoe Porter London ADAMS, Leonard Son Single M 21 1890 Builder Labour London ADAMS, Minnie Daughter Single F 18 1893 Syphoon Packer London ADAMS, Florence Daughter Single F 17 1894 Tobacco Packer London
RG number: RG14 Piece: 1227 Reference: RG14PN1227 RG78PN42 RD14 SD2 ED12 SN400 Registration District: Holborn Sub District: Clerkenwell Enumeration District: 12 Parish: St James and St John Clerkenwell
Address: 3a Lloyds Row EC County: London
EDIT: The original image clearly says 37 years married (not 27 as transcribed) - that ties with the marriage that Julie posted above.
Twelve children born, ten survived.
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patchem
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14 Jul 2012 18:31 |
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In the 1881 and 1891 censuses he is a painter not a green grocer.
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MargaretM
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14 Jul 2012 18:31 |
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Same parents, same address here, father a greengrocer:
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William Ernést Adams Name: William Ernést Adams Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1876 Baptism Date: 11 Dec 1876 Father's Name: Robert Adams Mother's name: Henrietta Adams Parish or Poor Law Union: Gray´s Inn Road St Jude Borough: Camden Register Type: Parish Registers Born 1 Dec. 1876.
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MargaretM
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14 Jul 2012 18:27 |
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If this is your Alce, mother's name is Henrietta:
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Alice Elizabeth Adams Name: Alice Elizabeth Adams Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1878 Baptism Date: 19 Jun 1878 Father's Name: Robert Adams Mother's name: Henrietta Adams Parish or Poor Law Union: Gray´s Inn Road St Jude Borough: Camden Register Type: Parish Registers
Born 31 Oct. 1875. Address 40A Brittania St. Father a greengrocer.
Baptised same day, same father, same address: Charles William born 19 Nov. 1877.
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Julie
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14 Jul 2012 18:26 |
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It might be worth for you to get 1 of the childrens BC for their MMN
There is this marriage
Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%) >>>>ADAMS Robert Walter Holborn 1b 1109 Freeland James Holborn 1b 1109 Frid Emma Holborn 1b 1109 >>>>>SMITH Henrietta Holborn 1b 1109 _______________________________
this could be your Roberts birth Middle name matches
Births Dec 1848 (>99%) Adams Robert Walter Islington 3 287
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patchem
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14 Jul 2012 18:26 |
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The 1891 census still has his wife from Hampshire (Henrietta from Portsmouth) though a slightly different age (36)
Added (bound to find a Robert Adams marrying a Henrietta somewhere and time): ? Marriages Dec 1874 ADAMS Robert Walter Holborn 1b 1109 SMITH Henrietta Holborn 1b 1109
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MarieCeleste
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14 Jul 2012 18:25 |
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Posting the 1891 for reference:
ADAMS, Charles Head Widower M 74 1817 Tailor St Martins, London ADAMS, James Son Single M 38 1853 House Painter Islington, London ADAMS, Robert Son M 41 1850 House Painter Islington, London ADAMS, Henrietta Daughter In Law Married F 36 1855 Portsmouth, Hampshire ADAMS, Alice Granddaughter Single F 14 1877 Domestic Servant Islington, London ADAMS, John Grandson Single M 11 1880 Scholar Islington, London ADAMS, Frederick Grandson M 9 1882 Scholar Islington, London ADAMS, Alfred Grandson M 7 1884 Scholar Islington, London ADAMS, Bert Grandson M 5 1886 Scholar Islington, London ADAMS, Nellie Granddaughter F 3 1888 Islington, London ADAMS, Frank Grandson M 2 1889 Islington, London ADAMS, Lionel Grandson M 0 (4M) 1891 Islington, London
Piece: 154 Folio: 33 Page: 1 Registration District: Islington Civil Parish: Islington
Address: 2, Canal Terrace, Islington, London County: London _______________________________________________________________
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ADAMS, Robert Head Married M 52 1849 House Painter Islington, London ADAMS, Henrietta Wife Married F 46 1855 Whitchurch, Hampshire ADAMS, Alfred Son Single M 17 1884 Railway Carman Islington, London ADAMS, Bertie Son Single M 16 1885 Van Guard Islington, London ADAMS, Nellie Daughter Single F 13 1888 Islington, London ADAMS, Frank Son Single M 12 1889 Islington, London ADAMS, Minnie Daughter Single F 8 1893 Islington, London ADAMS, Florence Daughter Single F 6 1895 Islington, London
Piece: 185 Folio: 86 Page: 4 Registration District: Islington Civil Parish: Islington
Address: 10, Providence Row, Islington County: London
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AnnCardiff
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14 Jul 2012 18:23 |
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Robert Adams England and Wales Census, 1901 birth: 1849 Islington,? London census: 31 Mar 1901 St Martin In The Fields,? London,? Middlesex,? England name: Robert Adams event: Census event date: 31 Mar 1901 gender: Male age: 52 relationship to head of household: Head birthplace: Islington, London record type: Household registration district: Strand sub-district: St Martin In The Fields ecclesiastical parish: St Martin civil parish: St Martin In The Fields county: London, Middlesex
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AnnCardiff
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14 Jul 2012 18:17 |
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Robert Adams England and Wales Census, 1891 birth: Islington census: 1891 England name: Robert Adams event: Census event date: 1891 gender: Male age: 41 relationship to head of household: Head birthplace: Islington record type: Household registration district: Islington sub-district: Highbury ecclesiastical parish: St Judes civil parish: Islington county: London, Middlesex
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AnnCardiff
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14 Jul 2012 18:16 |
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Robert Adams England and Wales Census, 1901 birth: 1849 Islington,? London census: 31 Mar 1901 Islington,? London,? Middlesex,? England name: Robert Adams event: Census event date: 31 Mar 1901 gender: Male age: 52 relationship to head of household: Head birthplace: Islington, London record type: Household registration district: Islington sub-district: Barnsbury ecclesiastical parish: St James civil parish: Islington county: London, Middlesex Robert Adams England and Wales Census, 1901 birth: 1849 Islington,? London census: 31 Mar 1901 St Martin In The Fields,? London,? Middlesex,? England name: Robert Adams event: Census event date: 31 Mar 1901 gender: Male age: 52 relationship to head of household: Head birthplace: Islington, London record type: Household registration district: Strand sub-district: St Martin In The Fields ecclesiastical parish: St Martin civil parish: St Martin In The Fields county: London, Middlesex
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patchem
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14 Jul 2012 18:03 |
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This is a possibly related thread: http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1303887
Added: For reference 1881 England Census Robert Adams Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Son Father's Name: Charles Adams Mother's name: Jane Adams Gender: Male Where born: London Islington, London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Pancras Islington County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 2 Bath Place Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Painter Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Piece: 230 Folio: 127 Page Number: 36 Charles Adams 64 Jane Adams 64 James Adams 30 Robert Adams 32 Mary Adams 28 Hampshire Alice Adams 5 London John Adams 2 London Patience Lawrence 28 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 230; Folio: 127; Page: 36; GSU roll: 1341050.
Alice and John probably meant to be recorded as children of Robert and Mary.
Have you got children's birth certificates for Mother's maiden name?
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Thomas
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14 Jul 2012 17:51 |
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Im trying to work out what is going on with an ancestor of mine, Robert Adams born 1850 in Islington, London.
On the 1881 Census he is living at home with his father Charles as head, his mother Jane, and his brother james. James is listed as single, robert as married and Mary Adams is listed as 'wife of son' with two children john and alice who are listed as son and daughter of the head.
In 1891 I think Jane has died but the family are still living with Charles. James is still single, and Robert is still married but the woman listed as daughter in law is a Henrietta Adams with john and alice now grandshildren and more grandchildren added to the list.
I cant find the marriage record of robert to either mary or henrietta. Any help would be great,
Thanks
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