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Thankyou for all your contributions I have been down these roads before and can only conclude that for whatever reason Louisa's mrg cert is not quite the truth.

Perhaps she got her father's name wrong or the marriage certificate.

Have you elimainated this one please?

Births Mar 1876 Whitfield Louisa Liverpool 8b 48

1891

Name: Samuel Whitefield
[Samuel Whitfield]
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Whitefield
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2952
Folio: 66
Page Number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Whitefield 40 Dock Labourer
Jane Whitefield 38
Louisa Whitefield 15
Samuel I Whitefield 11 <<< Samuel J on image
John Whitefield 9
Sarah Whitefield 7
Dorthea Whitefield 5
Elizbeth Whitefield 6/12

Same family in 1881 but looks like Louisa is listed as Susannah?

Name: Samuel Whitfield
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Whitfield
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 99A Gordon St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Dock Labourer

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3660
Folio: 46
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Whitfield 31
Jane Whitfield 29
Mary Whitfield 10
Susannah Whitfield 5 <<<<<<<<<<<
Samuel Whitfield 2


Not seeing a possible marriage or death for the above Susannah so wondering if she was Louisa?

Possible marriage for Samuel and Jane

Marriages Jun 1870
Carson Jane Liverpool 8b 184 <<<<<<<<<<
FOULKES David Liverpool 8b 184
Whitfield Samuel Liverpool 8b 184 <<<<<<<<<<<
Willder Thirza Liverpool 8b 184

Single when marrying according to familysearch


Richard Knight
Groom's Birth Date: 1859
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 38
Bride's Name: Louisa Whitfield
Bride's Birth Date: 1874
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 23
Marriage Date: 28 Mar 1897
Marriage Place: Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
Groom's Father's Name: John Knight
Bride's Father's Name: John Whitfield

Groom's Marital Status: Widowed
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:

Bride's Marital Status: Single <<<<<<<<




Not seeing a Louisa Whitfield born Lancashire with father John in 1881
Maybe Whitfield was her adopted name (i.e. her mother remarried and Louisa took her stepfather's name.)

My G/M is a bit of a mystery I wonder whether the information on her mrg cert is true. I've spent a lot of time looking for her but got nowhere I am signing off now so would just like to say thankyou for time and will come back later to see if there are any updates thankyou again

There's a ten year difference between the age on the marriage certificate and the date of death on the one hand, and the census records on the other.
If the census is correct, she was quite old to be getting married for the first time. Does the certificate confirm she was a spinster?

I can't see a Louisa born in Liverpool.
There is one born in Hulme (Manchester) in 1865.

This is the right family the 1901 census does say she was born Liverpool but I am unable to tie her yob with her father in Liverpool when i contacted the Hospital records off ice they said she was from Manchester.
I did know all but one of Richards children the problem is Louisa. I can't find any trace 1881 or 1891 my father was William Henry. No birth records for her either

1911
Relation to Head: Patient
Civil parish: Whittingham


Whittingham Hospital was a psychiatric hospital in the parish of Whittingham, near Preston, Lancashire

Name: Martha Ann Knight
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 21 Lance Street Everton Liverpool
Occupation: School
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 22522
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Knight 53
Annie Louisa Knight 19
Elizabeth Ellen Knight 13
Martha Ann Knight 11
William Henry Knight 8

1911

Name: Louisa Knight
Age in 1911: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Whittingham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Housewife
Registration district: Preston
Registration District Number: 476
Sub-registration district: Broughton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 25366

Is this the 1901?


Name: Smisa Knight
[Louisa Knight]
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard Knight
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Walton on the Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 162
Piece: 3452
Folio: 78
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Knight 43
Smisa Knight 36 ********Image is 26
Sarah J Knight 14
Ada E Knight 11
Annie L Knight 9
Elizabeth E Knight 3
Martha A Knight 1

Have you looked for Louisa with her family in 1881? It's free

1901 census must give her birthplace.....what was it?

Lancaster Moor Hospital was a Mental Hospital

My G/F Richard Knight a widdower mrd my G/M Louisa Whitfield in Liverpool 28/03/1897. Her mrg cert says she was aged 23 and that her father was John Whitfield. I was unable to decypher his occupation. Their address was the same Bodley St Liverpool. The only other records I have are the 1901 census now living Arthur St Liverpool and my fathers birth cert in 1902 living at Upper Potter St Liverpool. Family whispers said that she died in a home in Lancaster.
There was a Louisa Knight admitted to Lancaster Moor Mental Hospital in 1903 and died there aged 53 in 1927 I believe this was probably my G/M but have yet to prove it.
I would dearly like to know who this lady was and where she came from, can anyone out there help me